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thank you

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telling the story a lot lately so if

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anyone's heard this before I apologize

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um because I realized I'm like I have to

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start using different words because I'm

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going to sound like I'm repeating myself

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um but how it started you know because

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you realize you use the same Expressions

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to explain stuff and I was laughing

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because I'm like

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um someone who's following this is

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probably like God she uses you gotta get

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a better better vocabulary

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um so it started with just change your

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story just throw a Twist every once in a

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while exactly and I'm not going to be

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credible you can't do this in this case

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as we know from Travis Bolton and

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balbazar and other people if you do any

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change of your story people are on it

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and they will call you out on it and I

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love that and that's the way it should

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be because we have to be we all have to

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be accountable for each other and

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ourselves especially when it comes to

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this subject because you can forget

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things but when it comes to certain

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facts and you're saying something's real

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you have to you have to be precise and

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it has to be legit and you can't change

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story right obviously

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um anyway yeah well said right uh how it

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got uh how I started into it uh my

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actually I talked to my dad recently

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about this so my my story will change a

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little bit because I told him I'm like

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Dad I've been doing a lot of you a UFO

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podcast because he's the one who really

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got me into it because he had a sighting

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when he was really young

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um or younger I believe I think he was

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in high school I thought he was in like

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University kind of age College age um

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but he was in high school he said so I

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asked him actually last weekend and I

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was like Dad tell me the story again

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because I feel like maybe I'm not

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getting it right or I'm missing

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something because I've told it and it's

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how I remember it but this is a third

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part this is a second person story right

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it's not my story that I'm telling so he

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he updated it for me and so how it goes

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is that my dad was in high school and

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they were driving up north to

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um they were going to this Cottage

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um and at that time you know they were

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on a highway and I it was a it was a

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known highway but I thought it was a

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popular more popular highway but it but

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it wasn't actually apparently it was

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just like a very and other people were

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on it

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um so it was a group of my dad's friends

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and they ended up they got out of a car

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and they saw an object and it was in the

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sky and my dad was obviously like what

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is this all of them were looking at it

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um so they chased the UFO this is the

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one thing I exactly I didn't know this

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my dad updated me and he's like Chrissy

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we chased it before we got out of the

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car and I'm like what so they chased it

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for a little bit there's also another

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part of this is really wild

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um to the story that I I totally forgot

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about or you know so he's told it a

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couple times to me but I haven't talked

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to him in the past recent until recent

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um anyway uh so they got out of the car

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and they looked at it and uh they

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flashed their lights at it and it

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flashed back its own lights oh wow so my

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dad's I know so they were like my dad's

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like we were communicating with this

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thing and I said to him how big was it

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because how it started for me and I'll

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get to that is he has a picture of it

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they ended up taking a picture he still

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has the picture hopefully no one tries

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to read my parents place for it

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um we're looking for it

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um they have this picture and I asked

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him I'm like how big was this craft dad

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so when you look at the photo you see

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this telephone pole it's hovering it

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looks like a sun and I remember that

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clearly and it's hovering above like

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literally like a telephone pole or a

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little bit higher so they were really

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close to it and I asked him I'm like how

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big was it and he's like it he was you

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he was it wasn't that big you must have

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had to been like four feet or taller to

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get in this craft

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so at that point drones didn't exist

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right like they weren't around at that

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time so then what happened was my dad I

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remember this part clearly that him

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telling me is he took out a rifle and

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they they did and they you know they

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weren't gonna shoot at it but they were

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trying to get a better look at it

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through the scope of the gun and so when

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they directed the gun at it it took off

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and so that's when you know they were

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like what is this thing because it knew

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it was intelligent it knew what was

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happening I know it was unbelievable and

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so at that point then um I thought that

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it was on Major news after that it isn't

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so if someone is following this story I

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am going to tell the other part that my

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dad said that's correct is that um so

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apparently I thought the news picked up

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that story but they didn't there was

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another similar sighting that happened

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on a town that was near to them and it

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kept other sightings kept happening that

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was similar to theirs and that's what

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the news reported and other people saw

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the mass sighting of something similar

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to my parents to my dad did

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um so yeah I was and wild so then so

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long story short when I was like six or

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seven he showed me that photo and I

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remember like looking at it and it was

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like it was like I was just I was

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enthralled like after that and then

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always knowing these these UFO stories

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my dad telling them all the time you

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know him becoming fascinated into it

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um you know meeting people as well but

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he didn't really talk about it because

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of the ridicule was so bad so now that

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you know he talks about it more now

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because the vertical wasn't but he would

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tell me when I was younger like don't

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talk about it people think we're crazy

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you know it's not and what area what

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area was this in like what town did this

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occur yeah that's a great it was just I

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believe it was in it was Northern

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Ontario so I'm not sure exact town he

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said but it is Northern Ontario my

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Kitchener at that time but I think it

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um so close to that area which is still

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around northern northern Ontario not too

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that's not that far up north but that

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whole region like even I lived I say

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province of Quebec which you know

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ever had took place so it's everywhere

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even in like the remote parts of this

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country this stuff is there it's always

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flying around it's just sometimes we're

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lucky we get to spot it and sometimes

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did you ever have a sighting

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I've had something with my my

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ex-boyfriend at a time you know where I

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have talked about this I don't really

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talk about it as much it's not because

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of ridicules because I'm still deciding

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on what happened right you know I've

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I've had sightings with I had one with

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him where

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um he like we were in the backyard and

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like I always laugh because now there's

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like backyard UFOs

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um but I was in the backyard with him

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and it was during the day and I looked

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up in the sky and I was like what is

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that and I'm like is there such thing as

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a day comment because and he's like

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Chrissy and it was moving so slow and it

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um in the back of it and it wasn't very

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like the trail wasn't large and it

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wasn't like it was coming from any type

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of craft it looked like but it had like

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a fireball at the end of it with this

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very tiny smoke Trail uh and it could

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have been something it doesn't mean it

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was a UFO I don't know

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um but I've seen other pictures of

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something similar of an identified

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flying objects and I was like that is

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something that I that is similar to what

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I've seen um so I pointed at him and I

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said what is that and he looked at it

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too and we stared at it for a while and

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then a craft like one of those

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um a craft that flew over his house not

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even a joke it was an army plane flew

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over and flew directly at it and then it

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came back on the same flight path right

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after so it was going it was going to

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look at what it was

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um no one else reported it from what I

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what I know in the media if they might

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have and maybe we missed it but um it

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doesn't mean it was a UFO I don't know

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until that to this day I still don't

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know what it is and it probably could be

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explained let's be honest most of the

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time they are but it doesn't matter

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sometimes if it's just the one that

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hasn't it still means it's real but

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that's interesting that you had that

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military plane fly over that's a little

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detail to be honest I'm not I'm not I'm

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on expertise on military planes either

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so I don't know if it could have just I

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don't know what type of plane it was but

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it did fly back on the same path that it

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flew in on

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um and I believe that is a sign of a

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form of crap of a military plane and it

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wasn't a matter it was a black plane it

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wasn't a marked plane that's for sure it

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wasn't like some typical plane that you

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would see flying around it was for sure

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some form of military plane

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um so yeah that those were times and

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it's even outside for him it's so funny

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because he was never really into UFOs

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until we started dating and now you know

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now we're obviously not together anymore

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um sharing my personal life here but

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yeah he um you know he's he's in he

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loves it now like he's he's such a UFO

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guy now and team I haven't talked to him

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in a while I wonder what he's thinking

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with all the new Pentagon information he

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must be you know freaking out as much as

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I am I think there's going to be a whole

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bunch of people that are going to jump

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on the bandwagon like I knew the whole

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time but there were people that just

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like you know not that long ago were

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like mocking People Like Us right who

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cares as long as it comes out I don't

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care I I'm not I don't care the ego I

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could put aside for two minutes as long

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as the information comes out I'm willing

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to put up with with anything

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as far as ufologist

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um and I use the term you follow just

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slightly because I mean there's no

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really curriculum to this

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um no yeah there will be one day a

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university class at Harvard for you

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apology 101 yeah we'll come back to how

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to handle the little gray guys or I'll

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be your professor

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exactly yeah I can't wait to take that

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course

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um exactly we're all going to be

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teaching the course what are you talking

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about yeah well be part of the panel at

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least that like agrees on what the

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curriculum should be exactly but this

285
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this field used to be dominated by men

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and we did have you know Linda Moulton

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Howe and Leslie Keane as you know

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pioneer women in this field what I think

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is really cool with the new generation

290
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is that a lot more women are getting

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involved in this and are being a lot

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more vocal which is about time it's not

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just about little old gray men uh

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talking about UFOs anymore it's actually

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a youthful generation uh you know young

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and old now can actually talk about this

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because the lifespan's short right like

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85 years is short and if you've seen

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something that was like holy [\h__\h] and

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then somebody who's younger than you

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sees the same thing you have something

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in common now right 100 so I think what

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is your take on that with like what's

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the uptake on the popularity with the

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younger generation when it comes down to

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ufology or at least following up on the

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subject

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yeah from what I see

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you know we look at you know gen Zed to

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boomer generation just even culturally

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the the boomer generation is less still

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and this is not everybody right I'm just

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kind of making a generalized statement

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even though generally statements aren't

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the best but I from what I see and what

316
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I've heard but everyone's different to

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their own

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um mainly when we look at the boomer

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generation they're so there is a lot of

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distrust within government and I don't

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blame them cold war you know like

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they're you know like there's there's so

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many reasons why they don't believe the

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government and there's a lot of distrust

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and ridicule around what happened and

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how they feel and speaking towards it

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and then we have this younger generation

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that's coming out where you know their

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parents might know about UFOs or might

330
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not but they're really interested in it

331
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and mainstream media is guiding it so

332
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they're hearing this this more and it's

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very fascinating to them because it's

334
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the first time that they've ever heard

335
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this you know probably 2017 and they

336
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trust the government a little bit more

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maybe not all of them but there is a

338
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little more trust in it I see

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um and they're following what's

340
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happening so they might not know

341
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everything that's happened you know

342
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before 2017 they might only know from

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2017 and Jeremy Corbell and upwards and

344
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say Joe Rogan and Area 51 in the in the

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meme that went out they might be

346
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following that but that's how they ended

347
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up getting in and I think that there is

348
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a lot of positivity around you know when

349
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they use the word disclosure movements

350
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there's there's a lot of optimistic

351
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conversations in the community that I

352
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see within the younger generation that's

353
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really nice and also wanting to wanting

354
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the truth and getting to the bottom of

355
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it and using technology and using things

356
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like streaming and having making

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podcasts and connecting with people

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they're doing it more than than probably

359
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ever and same with the women same thing

360
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too it's just it's a growing culture

361
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right now and I will say that mainstream

362
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media and pop culture have a lot to do

363
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with that since 2017 and Leslie clean

364
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and Ralph Blumenthal and all of them

365
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coming out with the New York Times piece

366
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oh that was brilliant yeah oh yeah and

367
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that changed things too in 2017 because

368
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I got a lot of guys that were in the

369
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military to come out step forward as

370
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well got people like me to be like I

371
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should maybe you know join mufon and

372
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finally live my life's dream that's

373
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pretty sad if that's my live stream to

374
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join mufon but you know what I lived it

375
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I completed it all right on to the next

376
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thing off off to the uh no judgment in

377
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that no judgment in that Community would

378
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ever judge you on that either if

379
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anything were more than happy that we

380
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have more people set your you set your

381
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goals attainable you know just go ahead

382
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and reach them that's uh really just

383
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keep it modest

384
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but I as I joined um that's what I found

385
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is is sort of the distrust in the

386
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community at first

387
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um you know there's a lot of uh this

388
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guy's an idiot oh don't listen to this

389
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guy this guy's an idiot I even had a

390
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gentleman on who said you know he was

391
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attacked physically and verbally because

392
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of his take on

393
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what this can all be because he was more

394
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from a religious point of view like they

395
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could be demons which of course we cover

396
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because we want to cover all the aspects

397
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of this phenomenon we don't know what it

398
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is so let's hear him out but some people

399
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don't want to hear about they just I've

400
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already made up their minds

401
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that this is it that none other

402
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interdimensional no no they're

403
00:14:28,370 --> 00:14:26,160
extraterrestrials no no you're both

404
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wrong they're demons it's like

405
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we don't know why are we fighting each

406
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other like it's stupid I agree yeah well

407
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the whole thing about this too that you

408
00:14:40,310 --> 00:14:38,579
know ufology is not a religion right

409
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it's a community of people that are

410
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looking for an answer towards a subject

411
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but we do have this likeliness of a

412
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religion where we're all you know I use

413
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it we're fighting but I don't even like

414
00:14:52,790 --> 00:14:49,860
using that trying to find information

415
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and and get information about something

416
00:14:57,590 --> 00:14:55,320
we don't we know that we're seeing right

417
00:14:59,509 --> 00:14:57,600
now that is real but we don't know what

418
00:15:01,730 --> 00:14:59,519
the end cause is and I've said that

419
00:15:03,230 --> 00:15:01,740
before too we don't really know what it

420
00:15:05,689 --> 00:15:03,240
is but that's the same thing with

421
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religion though when you look at it you

422
00:15:10,310 --> 00:15:07,920
know religion is the same way that there

423
00:15:11,750 --> 00:15:10,320
is you know and I do not think that

424
00:15:13,610 --> 00:15:11,760
ufology is a religion I don't think

425
00:15:16,550 --> 00:15:13,620
people should create one around it as

426
00:15:18,530 --> 00:15:16,560
well but we see the same ethos of it

427
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happening uh and I find that really

428
00:15:23,509 --> 00:15:20,399
interesting in the community

429
00:15:26,090 --> 00:15:23,519
um the one thing I love about the

430
00:15:28,129 --> 00:15:26,100
efology community is that there is a lot

431
00:15:30,410 --> 00:15:28,139
of working together and there is a lot

432
00:15:32,090 --> 00:15:30,420
of understanding and there is respect

433
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even though people don't always agree

434
00:15:36,949 --> 00:15:35,279
but I do see the people that I talk to

435
00:15:38,269 --> 00:15:36,959
and maybe it's the community that I'm

436
00:15:40,670 --> 00:15:38,279
usually integrated in because it's

437
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pretty vast around the world but the

438
00:15:45,110 --> 00:15:42,660
people that I see and I know are really

439
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Keen to help each other and want an

440
00:15:50,090 --> 00:15:47,820
answer and want the truth and want the

441
00:15:52,069 --> 00:15:50,100
truth to be real rather than you know

442
00:15:53,870 --> 00:15:52,079
and and not that they don't trust the

443
00:15:55,670 --> 00:15:53,880
government but they're asking questions

444
00:15:58,550 --> 00:15:55,680
all the time and they're trying to work

445
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together and find Solutions

446
00:16:02,210 --> 00:16:00,420
um and I'm seeing that now I don't know

447
00:16:04,069 --> 00:16:02,220
if that happened earlier like I wish I

448
00:16:05,870 --> 00:16:04,079
was in ufology and I talked to friends

449
00:16:07,850 --> 00:16:05,880
that were or ufologists that you know

450
00:16:09,769 --> 00:16:07,860
been doing it for 40 years now that I'm

451
00:16:12,350 --> 00:16:09,779
you know on the the podcast I'm on the

452
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New Frontier Network the the guys in the

453
00:16:17,629 --> 00:16:13,860
group are a little bit older than I am

454
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but I learn from them and their take and

455
00:16:20,810 --> 00:16:19,259
understanding is very different than how

456
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I see the world as well too From

457
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perspective but for them I think that

458
00:16:26,689 --> 00:16:25,079
you know they've been trying for so long

459
00:16:28,430 --> 00:16:26,699
and they're they're in the understanding

460
00:16:31,249 --> 00:16:28,440
now too of collectively working together

461
00:16:33,350 --> 00:16:31,259
but I'm not sure if the you know the

462
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Boomers in general want to do that

463
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because there has been a lot of pushback

464
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I've I've seen that

465
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um in the past but maybe moving forward

466
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now with a different generation they'll

467
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start being a little bit more

468
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collaborative I hope do you think it was

469
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like because they had to struggle so

470
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much

471
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you know in the 90s and even 2000s that

472
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now it's like no I don't want to

473
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cooperate like I fought this hard to be

474
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Rick hope God damn it you know what I

475
00:17:01,069 --> 00:16:59,339
mean um yeah yeah that's a big part too

476
00:17:02,990 --> 00:17:01,079
getting the ego out of the way you know

477
00:17:04,490 --> 00:17:03,000
yeah people have to realize if you start

478
00:17:06,169 --> 00:17:04,500
getting a star status it doesn't mean

479
00:17:07,730 --> 00:17:06,179
anything you're still what you're trying

480
00:17:10,069 --> 00:17:07,740
to do is investigative journalism or

481
00:17:12,529 --> 00:17:10,079
investigative whatever it might be you

482
00:17:14,630 --> 00:17:12,539
know you sometimes money does change

483
00:17:16,850 --> 00:17:14,640
people I agree and how they look at this

484
00:17:17,990 --> 00:17:16,860
and and I don't know if I really believe

485
00:17:19,909 --> 00:17:18,000
in that

486
00:17:21,590 --> 00:17:19,919
um I think that obviously everyone needs

487
00:17:23,390 --> 00:17:21,600
to make a career and have to make money

488
00:17:25,549 --> 00:17:23,400
and and if they are and they are doing

489
00:17:28,010 --> 00:17:25,559
it well in the ethology community but I

490
00:17:29,870 --> 00:17:28,020
think that we have to be mindful in in

491
00:17:31,730 --> 00:17:29,880
how we do that

492
00:17:33,830 --> 00:17:31,740
um and how then we treat people after

493
00:17:34,909 --> 00:17:33,840
people's you know star statuses rise and

494
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then the information that we're giving

495
00:17:38,570 --> 00:17:36,960
out I've heard a lot of negative stories

496
00:17:41,150 --> 00:17:38,580
and you know it is a little you know

497
00:17:42,950 --> 00:17:41,160
hearsay and maybe a little bit of tea in

498
00:17:44,450 --> 00:17:42,960
the gossip but

499
00:17:46,970 --> 00:17:44,460
um I have heard and I don't know anybody

500
00:17:48,230 --> 00:17:46,980
personally but them getting to having

501
00:17:50,450 --> 00:17:48,240
something that's actually happened to

502
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them and then they have a star status

503
00:17:54,590 --> 00:17:52,860
and they keep running with it and they

504
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start making up stories then so that

505
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they can just keep it going and I don't

506
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and that really scares me because

507
00:18:02,630 --> 00:17:59,220
there's people that probably do do that

508
00:18:05,450 --> 00:18:02,640
well yeah the past has a bunch of stem

509
00:18:08,330 --> 00:18:05,460
Roman X in it you know like that guy's

510
00:18:11,090 --> 00:18:08,340
full of crap the mache heads peeking

511
00:18:12,710 --> 00:18:11,100
Through the Windows you know people say

512
00:18:14,690 --> 00:18:12,720
oh they could float right through walls

513
00:18:16,370 --> 00:18:14,700
and yet they can't do it at his house

514
00:18:17,930 --> 00:18:16,380
they could only just peekaboo through

515
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the stairs or Through the Windows like

516
00:18:24,049 --> 00:18:20,880
exactly yeah what I'm talking about yeah

517
00:18:26,570 --> 00:18:24,059
so but that's that's a problem and at

518
00:18:29,150 --> 00:18:26,580
first some people actually believed him

519
00:18:31,490 --> 00:18:29,160
right like at first it wasn't credible

520
00:18:33,169 --> 00:18:31,500
because he did have some video footage

521
00:18:36,169 --> 00:18:33,179
that was credible it's just that

522
00:18:37,490 --> 00:18:36,179
eventually they embezzle their stories a

523
00:18:39,169 --> 00:18:37,500
little bit more or like they just

524
00:18:41,510 --> 00:18:39,179
embellishes the word I'm looking for

525
00:18:43,549 --> 00:18:41,520
yeah yeah the Canon bezel they probably

526
00:18:45,650 --> 00:18:43,559
do embezzle stuff too but yeah well

527
00:18:48,350 --> 00:18:45,660
there's also people yeah exactly they

528
00:18:51,250 --> 00:18:48,360
sell uh their snake oil sellers right

529
00:18:53,930 --> 00:18:51,260
they they sell a tail and unfortunately

530
00:18:56,210 --> 00:18:53,940
if you're tied to that if you're in

531
00:18:58,130 --> 00:18:56,220
investigator that originally was

532
00:18:59,630 --> 00:18:58,140
investigating that and you get sucked

533
00:19:02,870 --> 00:18:59,640
into somebody's um

534
00:19:05,630 --> 00:19:02,880
delusion that is problematic and it's

535
00:19:08,029 --> 00:19:05,640
this community specifically your

536
00:19:09,890 --> 00:19:08,039
reputation to be shot like that

537
00:19:12,710 --> 00:19:09,900
and good I'm glad that the community

538
00:19:13,970 --> 00:19:12,720
holds people you know accountable I hope

539
00:19:16,130 --> 00:19:13,980
that they're you know people forgive

540
00:19:18,470 --> 00:19:16,140
each other you know hopefully for that

541
00:19:21,650 --> 00:19:18,480
right we'll see but I agree that if you

542
00:19:23,870 --> 00:19:21,660
are you know lying or making up stories

543
00:19:25,490 --> 00:19:23,880
and deceiving the community that's

544
00:19:27,350 --> 00:19:25,500
trying to do something that they feel is

545
00:19:28,970 --> 00:19:27,360
good and positive and proper research

546
00:19:31,010 --> 00:19:28,980
then yeah I don't think you're welcome

547
00:19:32,870 --> 00:19:31,020
you know it's I think it's just that

548
00:19:34,730 --> 00:19:32,880
simple too yeah it's but it's really

549
00:19:36,049 --> 00:19:34,740
unfortunate that there are people but

550
00:19:37,430 --> 00:19:36,059
we're not the only group they're

551
00:19:38,390 --> 00:19:37,440
probably doing it in the Counter Culture

552
00:19:39,770 --> 00:19:38,400
there's probably lots of counter

553
00:19:41,570 --> 00:19:39,780
cultures that that deal with that kind

554
00:19:43,370 --> 00:19:41,580
of stuff what reminds me of Fight Club

555
00:19:45,710 --> 00:19:43,380
you know when he gets addicted to going

556
00:19:47,210 --> 00:19:45,720
to like these self-help groups and

557
00:19:48,590 --> 00:19:47,220
that's kind of what I see these people

558
00:19:50,630 --> 00:19:48,600
as they're just trying to find somewhere

559
00:19:52,490 --> 00:19:50,640
to belong and yeah they'll do anything

560
00:19:54,770 --> 00:19:52,500
spin anything to belong to that group

561
00:19:56,630 --> 00:19:54,780
and unfortunately either a dime a dozen

562
00:19:59,150 --> 00:19:56,640
but now they're you're not hearing so

563
00:20:01,549 --> 00:19:59,160
much about these cases anymore you hear

564
00:20:03,409 --> 00:20:01,559
more about like what's coming out in the

565
00:20:05,029 --> 00:20:03,419
newspapers what's coming out you know or

566
00:20:06,590 --> 00:20:05,039
seems to be rumored right now that

567
00:20:08,690 --> 00:20:06,600
something's supposed to be leaking

568
00:20:10,430 --> 00:20:08,700
either this weekend or next week or

569
00:20:11,270 --> 00:20:10,440
something like that and that seems to be

570
00:20:16,190 --> 00:20:11,280
the

571
00:20:18,649 --> 00:20:16,200
uh at least Jeremy uh Corbell is sort of

572
00:20:20,990 --> 00:20:18,659
leading us today did you see that yeah

573
00:20:24,529 --> 00:20:21,000
yeah I did I literally just saw it like

574
00:20:27,289 --> 00:20:24,539
he's so perfect on here yeah right yeah

575
00:20:29,029 --> 00:20:27,299
Jeremy is pretty it is yeah that's uh

576
00:20:30,529 --> 00:20:29,039
well you know the the funny thing too is

577
00:20:31,970 --> 00:20:30,539
we look at everybody in this community

578
00:20:35,930 --> 00:20:31,980
and how they like to tell their

579
00:20:37,250 --> 00:20:35,940
narrative one thing Jeremy does do well

580
00:20:38,930 --> 00:20:37,260
um and I've interviewed Jeremy in the

581
00:20:40,850 --> 00:20:38,940
past as well for another podcast for all

582
00:20:44,690 --> 00:20:40,860
pop repeat and he was one of our first

583
00:20:47,630 --> 00:20:44,700
interviews that I did and he's very good

584
00:20:50,090 --> 00:20:47,640
at using pop culture and and having that

585
00:20:51,649 --> 00:20:50,100
look so that it's attractive to a

586
00:20:55,070 --> 00:20:51,659
younger audience and to people that

587
00:20:56,750 --> 00:20:55,080
might not really understand ufology as

588
00:20:57,890 --> 00:20:56,760
someone in the community or people that

589
00:21:00,049 --> 00:20:57,900
are been in the community for a while

590
00:21:02,690 --> 00:21:00,059
but someone that's new they might come

591
00:21:04,250 --> 00:21:02,700
through that as a conduit to be like oh

592
00:21:05,870 --> 00:21:04,260
what is this and a lot of people after

593
00:21:08,330 --> 00:21:05,880
they watched his documentary tons of

594
00:21:09,409 --> 00:21:08,340
people called me and we're like Chrissy

595
00:21:10,909 --> 00:21:09,419
um what is going on like I don't even

596
00:21:12,529 --> 00:21:10,919
know who babazar is what is this and I'm

597
00:21:14,570 --> 00:21:12,539
like well welcome down the rabbit hole

598
00:21:16,310 --> 00:21:14,580
you know like here we open up let's

599
00:21:17,930 --> 00:21:16,320
let's start and

600
00:21:19,490 --> 00:21:17,940
and then that's the way that they get in

601
00:21:21,169 --> 00:21:19,500
and then they start asking questions and

602
00:21:24,409 --> 00:21:21,179
then they realize there's like a vault

603
00:21:25,610 --> 00:21:24,419
of info that they could forever now you

604
00:21:28,070 --> 00:21:25,620
know won't even know all of it until

605
00:21:29,750 --> 00:21:28,080
they probably the day they die uh so

606
00:21:32,630 --> 00:21:29,760
it's like welcoming them in be like you

607
00:21:34,490 --> 00:21:32,640
know come on to this side of the ship so

608
00:21:36,110 --> 00:21:34,500
I see that and I see that's how Jeremy

609
00:21:38,270 --> 00:21:36,120
do it some people don't some people use

610
00:21:39,710 --> 00:21:38,280
the news outlets to do and I I prefer

611
00:21:41,630 --> 00:21:39,720
that in my way

612
00:21:43,909 --> 00:21:41,640
um and working is working with like

613
00:21:45,470 --> 00:21:43,919
legit legitimate news

614
00:21:47,149 --> 00:21:45,480
um and not saying jerus stuff is not

615
00:21:48,590 --> 00:21:47,159
legitimate in that you know it's it's

616
00:21:49,970 --> 00:21:48,600
I'm just saying there's different ways

617
00:21:52,070 --> 00:21:49,980
of doing it

618
00:21:54,049 --> 00:21:52,080
um but I do like that faction of of

619
00:21:55,669 --> 00:21:54,059
having it through a news organization

620
00:21:57,890 --> 00:21:55,679
and pushing it out something like the

621
00:21:59,390 --> 00:21:57,900
debrief and that's why I work with them

622
00:22:01,430 --> 00:21:59,400
um I can work with them in my space

623
00:22:03,950 --> 00:22:01,440
because of what I do and what my skill

624
00:22:06,770 --> 00:22:03,960
set is in PR but there's different ways

625
00:22:08,450 --> 00:22:06,780
Stephen Greer uses you know events and

626
00:22:10,730 --> 00:22:08,460
uses apps you know I don't know how much

627
00:22:13,610 --> 00:22:10,740
I agree with Steven Greer's

628
00:22:16,310 --> 00:22:13,620
um take on things personally but he does

629
00:22:17,930 --> 00:22:16,320
that way you know uh gosh like there's

630
00:22:19,850 --> 00:22:17,940
tons of people that have their different

631
00:22:22,130 --> 00:22:19,860
way of getting their information out and

632
00:22:25,730 --> 00:22:22,140
making it and branding it around how

633
00:22:26,990 --> 00:22:25,740
they they see the UFO narrative uh and

634
00:22:28,789 --> 00:22:27,000
sometimes it's good and sometimes I

635
00:22:30,770 --> 00:22:28,799
don't always agree with everything how

636
00:22:32,210 --> 00:22:30,780
would you because you've been doing this

637
00:22:34,610 --> 00:22:32,220
for a while now I mean you've been

638
00:22:36,710 --> 00:22:34,620
investigating it for a while surrounded

639
00:22:39,110 --> 00:22:36,720
immersed in it for a long time

640
00:22:41,330 --> 00:22:39,120
how would you gauge like approaching the

641
00:22:43,789 --> 00:22:41,340
subject without falling prey to that

642
00:22:45,590 --> 00:22:43,799
without getting the ego in a way like

643
00:22:47,029 --> 00:22:45,600
how do you approach it

644
00:22:49,810 --> 00:22:47,039
yeah do you mean by somebody who's

645
00:22:53,450 --> 00:22:49,820
coming new or into the just somebody

646
00:22:55,789 --> 00:22:53,460
just anybody in peer like you know what

647
00:22:58,490 --> 00:22:55,799
what do you do as a person to prevent

648
00:23:00,110 --> 00:22:58,500
yourself from getting that ego trip or

649
00:23:02,390 --> 00:23:00,120
like saying no no I'm right about this

650
00:23:04,970 --> 00:23:02,400
and you know not starting to rag on

651
00:23:06,470 --> 00:23:04,980
other people right yeah my place in the

652
00:23:08,750 --> 00:23:06,480
community is I'm really interested in

653
00:23:11,390 --> 00:23:08,760
the cultural perspective of it and how

654
00:23:13,370 --> 00:23:11,400
mainstream media tells the narrative and

655
00:23:15,110 --> 00:23:13,380
what is going on within like the

656
00:23:16,149 --> 00:23:15,120
mainstream populace now and then where

657
00:23:19,250 --> 00:23:16,159
we're going to be going in the future

658
00:23:21,590 --> 00:23:19,260
and then using media and pop culture is

659
00:23:23,149 --> 00:23:21,600
that conduit to see how they spread the

660
00:23:25,010 --> 00:23:23,159
narrative and then also how the Pentagon

661
00:23:26,570 --> 00:23:25,020
decides to tell the narrative along with

662
00:23:28,430 --> 00:23:26,580
their own community and what does that

663
00:23:29,870 --> 00:23:28,440
mean and where are we going to go in the

664
00:23:32,090 --> 00:23:29,880
future for it

665
00:23:34,490 --> 00:23:32,100
um so I'm really a collector I like to

666
00:23:36,230 --> 00:23:34,500
collect I like to observe and then I'll

667
00:23:37,909 --> 00:23:36,240
make my personal decisions I don't

668
00:23:40,909 --> 00:23:37,919
always share them because I don't always

669
00:23:42,890 --> 00:23:40,919
feel that what I say and what I care

670
00:23:46,490 --> 00:23:42,900
about if who is right or wrong does it

671
00:23:48,590 --> 00:23:46,500
really matter it's just my opinion so

672
00:23:51,169 --> 00:23:48,600
sometimes it's not needed but it's to

673
00:23:52,970 --> 00:23:51,179
look at everything that we're doing as a

674
00:23:54,470 --> 00:23:52,980
collective and to see if we're telling

675
00:23:56,510 --> 00:23:54,480
we're going down the right Road and

676
00:23:58,789 --> 00:23:56,520
talking to people and seeing how we're

677
00:24:00,230 --> 00:23:58,799
shaping this narrative

678
00:24:02,510 --> 00:24:00,240
um you know it's it's going to change

679
00:24:04,010 --> 00:24:02,520
it's changed it you know someone calls

680
00:24:06,350 --> 00:24:04,020
it like a friend of mine actually Victor

681
00:24:08,269 --> 00:24:06,360
vigiani is a ufologist I was talking to

682
00:24:10,669 --> 00:24:08,279
earlier today and he called it like the

683
00:24:12,950 --> 00:24:10,679
New Testament in the Old Testament I

684
00:24:14,870 --> 00:24:12,960
laughed good comparison right that's why

685
00:24:16,490 --> 00:24:14,880
I said too I was like Baba back to the

686
00:24:18,590 --> 00:24:16,500
biblical stuff for the UFO committee

687
00:24:20,750 --> 00:24:18,600
which again not a religion but you know

688
00:24:22,610 --> 00:24:20,760
it refers to it because there are these

689
00:24:24,350 --> 00:24:22,620
conversations that people are like well

690
00:24:25,909 --> 00:24:24,360
let's forget about

691
00:24:27,890 --> 00:24:25,919
um you know all the old information and

692
00:24:30,169 --> 00:24:27,900
we're just going to start at 2017 and go

693
00:24:32,090 --> 00:24:30,179
forward and I'm like what you can't do

694
00:24:33,649 --> 00:24:32,100
that I'm like that's not that's not fair

695
00:24:35,750 --> 00:24:33,659
you have to look at all the other

696
00:24:37,370 --> 00:24:35,760
information of these ufologists and

697
00:24:38,510 --> 00:24:37,380
everything that they've done and put it

698
00:24:40,669 --> 00:24:38,520
and some of them are scientists not

699
00:24:42,409 --> 00:24:40,679
everyone's credible but there are a lot

700
00:24:43,850 --> 00:24:42,419
of credit credible people in the

701
00:24:45,350 --> 00:24:43,860
industry that have done tons of good

702
00:24:47,570 --> 00:24:45,360
work better than the people that are

703
00:24:49,010 --> 00:24:47,580
proud I'll be doing work now so we need

704
00:24:50,630 --> 00:24:49,020
to look at that

705
00:24:53,570 --> 00:24:50,640
um so yeah so I think I just went off a

706
00:24:56,390 --> 00:24:53,580
tangent there but no no you did good but

707
00:24:59,210 --> 00:24:56,400
for mine I don't I don't really you know

708
00:25:01,010 --> 00:24:59,220
how I sift through it is asking finding

709
00:25:03,110 --> 00:25:01,020
listening to more stories my Narrative

710
00:25:04,970 --> 00:25:03,120
of what I believe has changed over time

711
00:25:06,409 --> 00:25:04,980
because I've learned more so the more

712
00:25:08,750 --> 00:25:06,419
that you learn the more that your

713
00:25:09,769 --> 00:25:08,760
opinion and what you know about the

714
00:25:11,510 --> 00:25:09,779
community and what you know about

715
00:25:13,850 --> 00:25:11,520
people's stories that are facts or

716
00:25:15,890 --> 00:25:13,860
fiction starts to grow and then you can

717
00:25:18,049 --> 00:25:15,900
start creating you know other narratives

718
00:25:20,990 --> 00:25:18,059
or understandings around that

719
00:25:23,390 --> 00:25:21,000
I like Jacques Valley's book I'm reading

720
00:25:25,789 --> 00:25:23,400
confrontations right now and you could

721
00:25:28,130 --> 00:25:25,799
see like he's humbled by some of the

722
00:25:30,110 --> 00:25:28,140
experiences that he's had and he speaks

723
00:25:31,789 --> 00:25:30,120
from experience and he keeps saying you

724
00:25:34,130 --> 00:25:31,799
know for the UFO investigate like he

725
00:25:36,049 --> 00:25:34,140
keeps giving these little tips so I've

726
00:25:37,490 --> 00:25:36,059
been highlighting like crazy my books

727
00:25:39,470 --> 00:25:37,500
are worth nothing like if I'm gonna

728
00:25:41,029 --> 00:25:39,480
resell any of these things they're

729
00:25:43,370 --> 00:25:41,039
highlighted and tabbed like crazy

730
00:25:45,230 --> 00:25:43,380
they're worth nothing that's not true

731
00:25:47,450 --> 00:25:45,240
that actually I'd probably I would you

732
00:25:49,850 --> 00:25:47,460
know what I would rather buy a book from

733
00:25:51,409 --> 00:25:49,860
somebody who does UFO research than just

734
00:25:52,549 --> 00:25:51,419
the book because it would have all like

735
00:25:54,110 --> 00:25:52,559
it's people like oh my work's almost

736
00:25:55,610 --> 00:25:54,120
done for me or I'd be like what do I

737
00:25:57,769 --> 00:25:55,620
believe what they think or I think it

738
00:26:00,350 --> 00:25:57,779
would be I love to see Stayton Freeman's

739
00:26:02,210 --> 00:26:00,360
books and you know right and what he's

740
00:26:03,950 --> 00:26:02,220
done I think it would be wonderful to

741
00:26:05,690 --> 00:26:03,960
see what he highlighted and what he

742
00:26:08,390 --> 00:26:05,700
thought was important I think the

743
00:26:10,130 --> 00:26:08,400
opposite notes on and stuff yeah exactly

744
00:26:11,450 --> 00:26:10,140
well that's that's why I thought like

745
00:26:13,190 --> 00:26:11,460
I'm like you know my collection that's

746
00:26:15,289 --> 00:26:13,200
what I do when I go through a book I

747
00:26:16,549 --> 00:26:15,299
highlight it and I there's because I

748
00:26:18,470 --> 00:26:16,559
figured if ever I need to like put

749
00:26:20,390 --> 00:26:18,480
something together a case I have all all

750
00:26:24,409 --> 00:26:20,400
my my sections already pre-done for me

751
00:26:26,690 --> 00:26:24,419
right did my work ahead a time uh but I

752
00:26:28,430 --> 00:26:26,700
I did love that from his book because

753
00:26:30,230 --> 00:26:28,440
there's several times in his chapters

754
00:26:32,390 --> 00:26:30,240
he's saying look this is the approach

755
00:26:34,789 --> 00:26:32,400
there's no data there's no this as much

756
00:26:36,409 --> 00:26:34,799
as I want to believe the story you know

757
00:26:38,090 --> 00:26:36,419
there's lack of evidence and therefore

758
00:26:40,850 --> 00:26:38,100
this is the classification and his

759
00:26:43,010 --> 00:26:40,860
classification system is was brilliant

760
00:26:44,690 --> 00:26:43,020
compared to what we had before because

761
00:26:46,370 --> 00:26:44,700
it does classify whether or not it's

762
00:26:47,390 --> 00:26:46,380
worth you actually going up to the site

763
00:26:49,669 --> 00:26:47,400
to do

764
00:26:52,130 --> 00:26:49,679
an investigation

765
00:26:53,630 --> 00:26:52,140
I have not had the chance yet to go out

766
00:26:57,470 --> 00:26:53,640
on site to do an investigation nothing

767
00:26:58,990 --> 00:26:57,480
landed no cows dead which God I want one

768
00:27:04,250 --> 00:26:59,000
so bad

769
00:27:07,669 --> 00:27:04,260
Academy you're like a cattle just just

770
00:27:08,870 --> 00:27:07,679
once uh I know Christopher O'Brien's

771
00:27:10,190 --> 00:27:08,880
like no you don't want that they smell

772
00:27:12,230 --> 00:27:10,200
horrible I'm like yeah I never thought

773
00:27:13,789 --> 00:27:12,240
about that like the smell you know you

774
00:27:15,049 --> 00:27:13,799
see it on TV you're like oh yeah I'd

775
00:27:16,610 --> 00:27:15,059
love to see one of those with like yeah

776
00:27:19,490 --> 00:27:16,620
the smell would probably do me in I

777
00:27:20,870 --> 00:27:19,500
guess uh but yeah I haven't had the

778
00:27:22,730 --> 00:27:20,880
chance yet to go out on the field but

779
00:27:25,549 --> 00:27:22,740
yet I haven't had really a case you know

780
00:27:27,470 --> 00:27:25,559
of anything Landing or anything uh

781
00:27:28,549 --> 00:27:27,480
nearby have you ever had a chance to go

782
00:27:31,010 --> 00:27:28,559
out in the field

783
00:27:33,649 --> 00:27:31,020
the only thing I've ever done in field

784
00:27:35,510 --> 00:27:33,659
work is I actually when I started you

785
00:27:37,370 --> 00:27:35,520
know I've always read more information

786
00:27:38,570 --> 00:27:37,380
and watched things about ufology and

787
00:27:40,610 --> 00:27:38,580
just talked to and would go to

788
00:27:42,470 --> 00:27:40,620
conferences and meet people and ask

789
00:27:44,090 --> 00:27:42,480
questions and really would just be an

790
00:27:45,830 --> 00:27:44,100
observer and a fly on the wall and then

791
00:27:47,870 --> 00:27:45,840
like hang out with my dad where we geek

792
00:27:49,490 --> 00:27:47,880
out together about UFOs you know I go

793
00:27:51,110 --> 00:27:49,500
visit my parents and we talk about it

794
00:27:53,029 --> 00:27:51,120
you know until like midnight and like

795
00:27:55,730 --> 00:27:53,039
that's where the pr came from right yeah

796
00:27:57,470 --> 00:27:55,740
well and I for for sure like that's

797
00:27:59,690 --> 00:27:57,480
that's a big part of it too but it's

798
00:28:01,549 --> 00:27:59,700
funny where we I where I would learn and

799
00:28:03,889 --> 00:28:01,559
get my information so when I was at a

800
00:28:06,590 --> 00:28:03,899
conference uh I met

801
00:28:08,750 --> 00:28:06,600
um Patty Greer and my dad actually did

802
00:28:10,010 --> 00:28:08,760
and my dad introduced me to her and not

803
00:28:12,049 --> 00:28:10,020
so much I don't know how much I believe

804
00:28:14,090 --> 00:28:12,059
now in crop circles

805
00:28:16,310 --> 00:28:14,100
um because I'm learning so much more but

806
00:28:19,430 --> 00:28:16,320
I won because I was like this is the

807
00:28:22,370 --> 00:28:19,440
closest thing that I can I can get to

808
00:28:26,269 --> 00:28:22,380
the concept of a UFO and something maybe

809
00:28:31,130 --> 00:28:26,279
being real so I went out and I flew out

810
00:28:32,990 --> 00:28:31,140
to um to London England and I met a

811
00:28:34,730 --> 00:28:33,000
researcher I'm like Gary's going to kill

812
00:28:38,029 --> 00:28:34,740
me I just forgot Kerry's last name he's

813
00:28:39,590 --> 00:28:38,039
gonna kill me wow Chrissy we'll edit it

814
00:28:43,450 --> 00:28:39,600
will you find out later we'll just put

815
00:28:47,690 --> 00:28:45,889
I know Gary's gonna be like Chrissy

816
00:28:49,250 --> 00:28:47,700
she's like you have him on the show and

817
00:28:52,310 --> 00:28:49,260
he's been like what

818
00:28:53,750 --> 00:28:52,320
um so Gary and I I ended up meeting Gary

819
00:28:55,850 --> 00:28:53,760
and so I was just wanted to do Circle

820
00:28:58,669 --> 00:28:55,860
chasing that's what they called it so I

821
00:29:00,769 --> 00:28:58,679
met um Patty Greer and Patty Greer uh

822
00:29:03,289 --> 00:29:00,779
direct me in towards a group of people

823
00:29:04,789 --> 00:29:03,299
that do Circle uh Circle chasing and a

824
00:29:05,990 --> 00:29:04,799
whole bunch of other activities and

825
00:29:07,789 --> 00:29:06,000
they're like do you want to go do other

826
00:29:09,769 --> 00:29:07,799
things and I said no no I just want to

827
00:29:12,529 --> 00:29:09,779
see a crop circle like I just want to be

828
00:29:14,510 --> 00:29:12,539
in one and see it so I ended up flying

829
00:29:16,610 --> 00:29:14,520
out uh to England and I stayed in

830
00:29:19,549 --> 00:29:16,620
basketball I did an Airbnb with this

831
00:29:22,310 --> 00:29:19,559
wonderful family and uh every day I'd

832
00:29:24,889 --> 00:29:22,320
meet up with Gary and I would go out and

833
00:29:27,649 --> 00:29:24,899
Jaime actually was there from he's the I

834
00:29:30,049 --> 00:29:27,659
actually met up with him and Gary that

835
00:29:31,610 --> 00:29:30,059
same time he's the Mexican I'm not sure

836
00:29:33,950 --> 00:29:31,620
if you met the the journalist I'm not

837
00:29:35,570 --> 00:29:33,960
sure if you're familiar with with Jamie

838
00:29:36,830 --> 00:29:35,580
um so I ended up meeting up with them

839
00:29:39,230 --> 00:29:36,840
and they were doing like their

840
00:29:41,090 --> 00:29:39,240
documentary and their research so I was

841
00:29:43,190 --> 00:29:41,100
really just following them along and

842
00:29:45,230 --> 00:29:43,200
learning and from their side and then

843
00:29:46,490 --> 00:29:45,240
them documenting the crop circles so we

844
00:29:48,830 --> 00:29:46,500
went to about I believe four crop

845
00:29:51,409 --> 00:29:48,840
circles oh wow that that trip yeah and

846
00:29:52,549 --> 00:29:51,419
that many yeah so they were ones that

847
00:29:54,529 --> 00:29:52,559
had been around they weren't freshly

848
00:29:56,630 --> 00:29:54,539
made they were they were um they were

849
00:29:58,250 --> 00:29:56,640
new and and this is the thing like Gary

850
00:30:00,470 --> 00:29:58,260
was never like hey Chrissy you know

851
00:30:01,970 --> 00:30:00,480
these are extraterrestrials he's like I

852
00:30:04,789 --> 00:30:01,980
don't know what makes this like he was

853
00:30:06,110 --> 00:30:04,799
still researching researching it as well

854
00:30:08,450 --> 00:30:06,120
um the one thing I'll say about crop

855
00:30:11,570 --> 00:30:08,460
circles and I don't know how real they

856
00:30:14,930 --> 00:30:11,580
are in context but they're beautiful

857
00:30:16,310 --> 00:30:14,940
like it doesn't matter the one thing I

858
00:30:18,590 --> 00:30:16,320
say to people I'm like it doesn't matter

859
00:30:20,750 --> 00:30:18,600
for crop circles it does matter in

860
00:30:22,370 --> 00:30:20,760
context if it is you know some form of

861
00:30:25,010 --> 00:30:22,380
extraterrestrial for sure we would love

862
00:30:27,169 --> 00:30:25,020
to know that but in general if it is

863
00:30:28,370 --> 00:30:27,179
human made people should just go see

864
00:30:30,169 --> 00:30:28,380
them because they're like they're

865
00:30:32,450 --> 00:30:30,179
beautiful when it comes to Art like

866
00:30:34,370 --> 00:30:32,460
they're stunning like they're just a a

867
00:30:36,169 --> 00:30:34,380
piece of work and like the one I walked

868
00:30:37,490 --> 00:30:36,179
into one I just got this beautiful like

869
00:30:39,110 --> 00:30:37,500
and people are like did you feel

870
00:30:40,330 --> 00:30:39,120
different I said no I actually took a

871
00:30:43,310 --> 00:30:40,340
nap in one

872
00:30:44,990 --> 00:30:43,320
because we were doing so much work and I

873
00:30:47,029 --> 00:30:45,000
was up so early and I just I took it

874
00:30:48,230 --> 00:30:47,039
like a 10 minute nap in a circle and I

875
00:30:49,669 --> 00:30:48,240
laughed and I'm like no I'm like I

876
00:30:50,870 --> 00:30:49,679
didn't feel any weird energy there was

877
00:30:52,430 --> 00:30:50,880
there were there were other people were

878
00:30:54,049 --> 00:30:52,440
there documenting them

879
00:30:55,970 --> 00:30:54,059
um but they were stunning like they're

880
00:30:57,950 --> 00:30:55,980
just beautiful pieces of artwork if

881
00:30:59,509 --> 00:30:57,960
anything but that was the closest I

882
00:31:01,549 --> 00:30:59,519
ended up getting into kind of going into

883
00:31:02,690 --> 00:31:01,559
fields and now I hope that I get to do

884
00:31:04,190 --> 00:31:02,700
more

885
00:31:05,810 --> 00:31:04,200
um outside of that I know a lot of

886
00:31:07,370 --> 00:31:05,820
stories I talk to tons of people in the

887
00:31:08,810 --> 00:31:07,380
community about it

888
00:31:11,029 --> 00:31:08,820
um and I've met tons of people in the

889
00:31:12,590 --> 00:31:11,039
community that are before I really ended

890
00:31:14,810 --> 00:31:12,600
up getting in on on this side even

891
00:31:16,190 --> 00:31:14,820
deeper they were researchers that I

892
00:31:18,470 --> 00:31:16,200
would just end up becoming friends with

893
00:31:20,269 --> 00:31:18,480
and talking to and going for dinner with

894
00:31:21,889 --> 00:31:20,279
it's and the thing that's always

895
00:31:24,470 --> 00:31:21,899
fascinating me about the crop circles

896
00:31:26,389 --> 00:31:24,480
it's you could tell when it's you know

897
00:31:28,549 --> 00:31:26,399
the fake ones or you usually a human

898
00:31:31,250 --> 00:31:28,559
made it they look nice but they're

899
00:31:33,230 --> 00:31:31,260
nowhere near as intricate as the ones

900
00:31:34,730 --> 00:31:33,240
that just seem to be

901
00:31:36,649 --> 00:31:34,740
unexplainable

902
00:31:37,970 --> 00:31:36,659
um and some of people have actually gone

903
00:31:40,430 --> 00:31:37,980
through and like oh they're actually

904
00:31:42,289 --> 00:31:40,440
blueprints for oh I forgot what it's

905
00:31:43,789 --> 00:31:42,299
like an engineer has gone through one a

906
00:31:45,110 --> 00:31:43,799
couple of them anyways and figured out

907
00:31:47,509 --> 00:31:45,120
that they're like almost pieces of

908
00:31:49,250 --> 00:31:47,519
technology and he's recreated them with

909
00:31:52,549 --> 00:31:49,260
metals and stuff like that

910
00:31:54,470 --> 00:31:52,559
and I just I just love it the geometry

911
00:31:57,230 --> 00:31:54,480
though the complexity of it I don't

912
00:31:59,090 --> 00:31:57,240
think it's a guy in the field like it

913
00:32:00,710 --> 00:31:59,100
would take you way much more than eight

914
00:32:03,649 --> 00:32:00,720
hours to complete something like that

915
00:32:05,509 --> 00:32:03,659
like yeah oh now I remembered Gary King

916
00:32:07,430 --> 00:32:05,519
there you go Gary I'm sorry if you ever

917
00:32:09,049 --> 00:32:07,440
goes to this I want to insert that now

918
00:32:13,990 --> 00:32:09,059
just say king and we'll insert that

919
00:32:20,930 --> 00:32:17,450
so Gary uh when we showed up in a crop

920
00:32:22,730 --> 00:32:20,940
circle this one guy ended up uh walking

921
00:32:24,409 --> 00:32:22,740
you know up to it as well and he's I'm

922
00:32:25,730 --> 00:32:24,419
like who's who's this guy Gary because

923
00:32:27,409 --> 00:32:25,740
he waved to him and said hi and he's

924
00:32:29,990 --> 00:32:27,419
like oh he's one of the debunkers and he

925
00:32:31,610 --> 00:32:30,000
says he makes them like really so he

926
00:32:33,769 --> 00:32:31,620
came over and was like asking questions

927
00:32:35,029 --> 00:32:33,779
about when it was made and and this

928
00:32:36,409 --> 00:32:35,039
night he didn't say that he claimed to

929
00:32:37,730 --> 00:32:36,419
make this one but he's claimed to make

930
00:32:39,409 --> 00:32:37,740
other ones

931
00:32:41,750 --> 00:32:39,419
um and could be true and you could see

932
00:32:44,450 --> 00:32:41,760
this again part of the community this

933
00:32:47,450 --> 00:32:44,460
kind of like you know back and forth of

934
00:32:49,490 --> 00:32:47,460
like distrust or who's made and like um

935
00:32:51,710 --> 00:32:49,500
and this kind of struggle that was going

936
00:32:53,269 --> 00:32:51,720
along with it it's really interesting to

937
00:32:54,590 --> 00:32:53,279
watch them and even interact with each

938
00:32:55,850 --> 00:32:54,600
other as someone but they were they were

939
00:32:58,370 --> 00:32:55,860
actually really respectful to each other

940
00:33:00,230 --> 00:32:58,380
which is really nice they weren't rude

941
00:33:02,690 --> 00:33:00,240
um but professional courtesy right

942
00:33:04,130 --> 00:33:02,700
exactly that's what it was and

943
00:33:05,750 --> 00:33:04,140
um but he was really interested and I

944
00:33:07,130 --> 00:33:05,760
said it was funny because I go if he

945
00:33:08,750 --> 00:33:07,140
knows that they're fake then why is he

946
00:33:10,610 --> 00:33:08,760
coming he's like Chrissy he's at them

947
00:33:12,049 --> 00:33:10,620
all the time he comes from every time

948
00:33:13,250 --> 00:33:12,059
there's a crop circle he's like I see

949
00:33:15,950 --> 00:33:13,260
them all the time and he's always is

950
00:33:17,810 --> 00:33:15,960
asking questions and somebody claims to

951
00:33:19,669 --> 00:33:17,820
make and some he doesn't so you get a

952
00:33:21,590 --> 00:33:19,679
lot of that and I think the the UK

953
00:33:23,269 --> 00:33:21,600
version of this in the ufology community

954
00:33:25,610 --> 00:33:23,279
is probably a little bit different than

955
00:33:27,950 --> 00:33:25,620
what we get in the states I don't know

956
00:33:30,590 --> 00:33:27,960
tons of people in the UK space um I know

957
00:33:32,750 --> 00:33:30,600
Gary well myself now but outside of that

958
00:33:34,730 --> 00:33:32,760
I don't know a ton of

959
00:33:36,350 --> 00:33:34,740
not that it's researchers but just tons

960
00:33:38,149 --> 00:33:36,360
of people that that follow it as much

961
00:33:39,889 --> 00:33:38,159
but I think there is a different

962
00:33:43,190 --> 00:33:39,899
narrative obviously when it comes to

963
00:33:44,930 --> 00:33:43,200
Nick Pope and things like that but yeah

964
00:33:46,490 --> 00:33:44,940
um but I I even asked the local the

965
00:33:49,130 --> 00:33:46,500
person I was living with for that time

966
00:33:50,450 --> 00:33:49,140
in an Airbnb I asked her I'm like you

967
00:33:51,950 --> 00:33:50,460
you know what crop circles right and

968
00:33:53,090 --> 00:33:51,960
she's like yeah yeah I'm like they're

969
00:33:54,470 --> 00:33:53,100
like they're like 10 minutes from your

970
00:33:56,630 --> 00:33:54,480
house I'm like have you ever been in one

971
00:33:58,789 --> 00:33:56,640
she's like no I don't know I'm like what

972
00:34:00,169 --> 00:33:58,799
and so I ended up giving her like I told

973
00:34:01,789 --> 00:34:00,179
her I know that's what I said I'm like

974
00:34:03,289 --> 00:34:01,799
you've been here your entire life and

975
00:34:04,610 --> 00:34:03,299
you've never seen one and she's like no

976
00:34:06,490 --> 00:34:04,620
otherwise you know people are just

977
00:34:08,510 --> 00:34:06,500
saying kind of whatever it is

978
00:34:10,550 --> 00:34:08,520
and she's like oh and other people make

979
00:34:11,990 --> 00:34:10,560
them and stuff and I said I highly

980
00:34:13,970 --> 00:34:12,000
suggest and I told her about it even

981
00:34:15,770 --> 00:34:13,980
more in depth and she went really and I

982
00:34:18,050 --> 00:34:15,780
said yeah I'm like go just go check it

983
00:34:20,210 --> 00:34:18,060
out so hopefully she's gone now to see

984
00:34:22,669 --> 00:34:20,220
it but I think some people that I

985
00:34:24,889 --> 00:34:22,679
noticed just even their in their region

986
00:34:27,109 --> 00:34:24,899
didn't really pay any attention to it so

987
00:34:29,510 --> 00:34:27,119
see those are the people I fear for the

988
00:34:31,369 --> 00:34:29,520
most the people that just like I could

989
00:34:33,290 --> 00:34:31,379
care less about you have until it's like

990
00:34:35,930 --> 00:34:33,300
right on the front door and then Don't

991
00:34:38,389 --> 00:34:35,940
Panic of course is there a crop circle

992
00:34:40,310 --> 00:34:38,399
that appeared um or that appealed to you

993
00:34:42,889 --> 00:34:40,320
more than the others one that

994
00:34:45,710 --> 00:34:42,899
maybe stood out more than the others the

995
00:34:47,210 --> 00:34:45,720
ones that I that I love there's two

996
00:34:48,710 --> 00:34:47,220
though I didn't see these ones though

997
00:34:50,210 --> 00:34:48,720
the ones that I saw were they weren't

998
00:34:52,310 --> 00:34:50,220
basic but they were they're not as

999
00:34:53,569 --> 00:34:52,320
intricate as the other ones

1000
00:34:55,730 --> 00:34:53,579
um I don't know the date of this crop

1001
00:34:58,010 --> 00:34:55,740
circle but it was the one where

1002
00:34:59,990 --> 00:34:58,020
um it looked like a hallway and it was

1003
00:35:01,609 --> 00:35:00,000
like three-dimensional even maybe it was

1004
00:35:03,710 --> 00:35:01,619
just it was unbelievable like the

1005
00:35:05,750 --> 00:35:03,720
dimensions to it were on were just

1006
00:35:08,450 --> 00:35:05,760
stunning and then the other one where is

1007
00:35:10,370 --> 00:35:08,460
I think it's uh there's like a like an

1008
00:35:13,250 --> 00:35:10,380
ET face and then there's some type of

1009
00:35:15,170 --> 00:35:13,260
binary code in a circle oh wow you were

1010
00:35:17,930 --> 00:35:15,180
at that one I was no I haven't seen them

1011
00:35:19,609 --> 00:35:17,940
okay no no I'm only gonna say wow yeah

1012
00:35:21,050 --> 00:35:19,619
I've seen that one God I would yeah I'd

1013
00:35:22,430 --> 00:35:21,060
be streaming from the top of the

1014
00:35:24,829 --> 00:35:22,440
hilltops if I was in that one running

1015
00:35:28,329 --> 00:35:24,839
around with a drone trying to film it

1016
00:35:30,580 --> 00:35:28,339
um where's my metal detector where is it

1017
00:35:33,230 --> 00:35:30,590
Gary exactly

1018
00:35:36,410 --> 00:35:33,240
[Laughter]

1019
00:35:37,970 --> 00:35:36,420
um but uh no I've only seen those ones

1020
00:35:40,310 --> 00:35:37,980
um the ones that I've been in were were

1021
00:35:42,170 --> 00:35:40,320
just like some general designs and they

1022
00:35:43,910 --> 00:35:42,180
they were beautiful too uh there was

1023
00:35:46,130 --> 00:35:43,920
basket weaving in one that I was in

1024
00:35:48,589 --> 00:35:46,140
which was really cool that's one yeah

1025
00:35:50,210 --> 00:35:48,599
and it was yeah and it was beautiful

1026
00:35:52,609 --> 00:35:50,220
basket weaving and it was like basket

1027
00:35:55,730 --> 00:35:52,619
weaving in the entire thing laid down

1028
00:35:57,290 --> 00:35:55,740
perfectly like flat so whoever did the

1029
00:35:58,970 --> 00:35:57,300
if someone did do the basket weaving

1030
00:36:01,130 --> 00:35:58,980
well done because some of the best

1031
00:36:04,430 --> 00:36:01,140
basket weaving I've seen with crops yeah

1032
00:36:06,530 --> 00:36:04,440
in the night in the night exactly

1033
00:36:08,210 --> 00:36:06,540
um there's just it's and I know a lot of

1034
00:36:09,890 --> 00:36:08,220
people don't believe in them and that's

1035
00:36:12,109 --> 00:36:09,900
fine I don't know what it is personally

1036
00:36:14,210 --> 00:36:12,119
and you know the more I the more I hear

1037
00:36:16,910 --> 00:36:14,220
about crop circles you know I do

1038
00:36:18,650 --> 00:36:16,920
question it but besides of it I do find

1039
00:36:20,630 --> 00:36:18,660
it very interesting you know and if

1040
00:36:22,490 --> 00:36:20,640
anything they're beautiful man-made or

1041
00:36:24,589 --> 00:36:22,500
not they're they're stunning pieces of

1042
00:36:26,270 --> 00:36:24,599
artwork well I remember in the early 90s

1043
00:36:27,950 --> 00:36:26,280
there was that video that somebody had

1044
00:36:30,470 --> 00:36:27,960
captured from England which shows like

1045
00:36:33,050 --> 00:36:30,480
two silver balls just fine really

1046
00:36:34,910 --> 00:36:33,060
quickly above a field and then you would

1047
00:36:37,310 --> 00:36:34,920
see the formation form and then fly off

1048
00:36:38,450 --> 00:36:37,320
now this is early 90s yeah I believe

1049
00:36:41,210 --> 00:36:38,460
that was I think that's

1050
00:36:43,250 --> 00:36:41,220
where who got that footage from a farmer

1051
00:36:46,490 --> 00:36:43,260
that's kind of giving it to her and then

1052
00:36:48,710 --> 00:36:46,500
Gary King has footage as well too of uh

1053
00:36:50,690 --> 00:36:48,720
something similar there's like a a flash

1054
00:36:52,310 --> 00:36:50,700
of light and then when he looks down

1055
00:36:53,690 --> 00:36:52,320
there's like a crop circle right

1056
00:36:55,010 --> 00:36:53,700
underneath it

1057
00:36:56,750 --> 00:36:55,020
um that ended up happening and you can

1058
00:36:59,210 --> 00:36:56,760
see it as like the daylight starts to

1059
00:37:00,650 --> 00:36:59,220
come up in his video as well but I think

1060
00:37:02,230 --> 00:37:00,660
the one that you're speaking about the

1061
00:37:05,450 --> 00:37:02,240
two orbs is yeah

1062
00:37:06,970 --> 00:37:05,460
so that's like the only video that I've

1063
00:37:10,010 --> 00:37:06,980
seen where it actually shows

1064
00:37:12,170 --> 00:37:10,020
unidentified crafts and then

1065
00:37:14,450 --> 00:37:12,180
something forming underneath them in the

1066
00:37:15,829 --> 00:37:14,460
grass right yeah I know we can reproduce

1067
00:37:17,930 --> 00:37:15,839
it I know that there's people out there

1068
00:37:20,150 --> 00:37:17,940
that have really mastered it

1069
00:37:23,990 --> 00:37:20,160
but some of these designs are so

1070
00:37:26,030 --> 00:37:24,000
intricate and so perfect that I just I

1071
00:37:28,609 --> 00:37:26,040
have a hard time fathoming um that

1072
00:37:31,430 --> 00:37:28,619
somebody in the dark is capable of doing

1073
00:37:35,390 --> 00:37:31,440
that in one sitting you know that's just

1074
00:37:37,069 --> 00:37:35,400
it's it's I know it blows your mind I

1075
00:37:39,109 --> 00:37:37,079
know I'm the same way and the funny

1076
00:37:41,450 --> 00:37:39,119
thing is like how I kind of look at this

1077
00:37:43,250 --> 00:37:41,460
is ufology now you know as I start

1078
00:37:46,310 --> 00:37:43,260
getting deeper and deeper and deeper

1079
00:37:49,130 --> 00:37:46,320
into it you know in my context as I look

1080
00:37:51,170 --> 00:37:49,140
at you know obviously from our you UFO

1081
00:37:53,270 --> 00:37:51,180
footage that's come from the Navy and

1082
00:37:55,370 --> 00:37:53,280
anything like that to me is like

1083
00:37:58,310 --> 00:37:55,380
extremely important right it's the most

1084
00:38:00,050 --> 00:37:58,320
credible that we have and then I'll be

1085
00:38:01,849 --> 00:38:00,060
not saying anyone else's but that's the

1086
00:38:03,349 --> 00:38:01,859
most credible and I look at that and I

1087
00:38:04,550 --> 00:38:03,359
go okay let's it's not that I'm not

1088
00:38:06,530 --> 00:38:04,560
gonna obviously not look at history

1089
00:38:08,030 --> 00:38:06,540
because it's most important but this is

1090
00:38:09,650 --> 00:38:08,040
important to us to have that we can say

1091
00:38:11,270 --> 00:38:09,660
and hold it and be like this most the

1092
00:38:13,609 --> 00:38:11,280
most important evidence maybe that we

1093
00:38:15,470 --> 00:38:13,619
have right now everything else I still

1094
00:38:17,030 --> 00:38:15,480
listen to I still listen to the E.T

1095
00:38:19,490 --> 00:38:17,040
stories I still listen to the crop

1096
00:38:20,930 --> 00:38:19,500
circle stories I still listen to you

1097
00:38:23,270 --> 00:38:20,940
know other people's parts of Mythology

1098
00:38:25,790 --> 00:38:23,280
in the community because I don't like to

1099
00:38:27,890 --> 00:38:25,800
push off the idea that oh it's that's

1100
00:38:28,910 --> 00:38:27,900
not real that's and telling people you

1101
00:38:31,130 --> 00:38:28,920
know especially if they've had an

1102
00:38:32,450 --> 00:38:31,140
encounter and there's has been negative

1103
00:38:33,410 --> 00:38:32,460
I'm never going to tell somebody that

1104
00:38:34,730 --> 00:38:33,420
they're experienced and it's been

1105
00:38:36,650 --> 00:38:34,740
traumatic is wrong and that they're

1106
00:38:39,230 --> 00:38:36,660
lying like I just I don't think that's

1107
00:38:40,370 --> 00:38:39,240
right but I'm open to listen to it it

1108
00:38:42,050 --> 00:38:40,380
doesn't mean that I have to believe it

1109
00:38:43,910 --> 00:38:42,060
but I'm open to listen to it and then

1110
00:38:46,430 --> 00:38:43,920
maybe one day as our science gets better

1111
00:38:49,130 --> 00:38:46,440
we'll be able to confirm it so when I

1112
00:38:51,230 --> 00:38:49,140
look at it now you know through the lens

1113
00:38:52,730 --> 00:38:51,240
and even in a PR lens of what I'm

1114
00:38:54,349 --> 00:38:52,740
allowed to talk about or what I should

1115
00:38:56,089 --> 00:38:54,359
be able to talk about right when I say

1116
00:38:58,670 --> 00:38:56,099
aloud I mean by like what's the most

1117
00:38:59,690 --> 00:38:58,680
credible thing to talk about is using

1118
00:39:01,609 --> 00:38:59,700
stuff that's come from the government

1119
00:39:02,870 --> 00:39:01,619
that's been approved you know through

1120
00:39:04,670 --> 00:39:02,880
the Pentagon

1121
00:39:06,349 --> 00:39:04,680
um you know other footage that is really

1122
00:39:07,910 --> 00:39:06,359
credible sources from people that are

1123
00:39:09,470 --> 00:39:07,920
experts and have been trained with a

1124
00:39:11,810 --> 00:39:09,480
proper eye to identify different things

1125
00:39:13,310 --> 00:39:11,820
if they're UFOs or not you know those

1126
00:39:15,170 --> 00:39:13,320
are important Staples that we can push

1127
00:39:17,150 --> 00:39:15,180
the community forward with with press in

1128
00:39:18,530 --> 00:39:17,160
mainstream media and then we can help to

1129
00:39:19,910 --> 00:39:18,540
tell that narrative in mainstream

1130
00:39:22,310 --> 00:39:19,920
because it's the closest we're going to

1131
00:39:24,589 --> 00:39:22,320
get to the most the best evidence we'll

1132
00:39:26,210 --> 00:39:24,599
ever have but it doesn't mean that you

1133
00:39:28,310 --> 00:39:26,220
have to stop not listening to the other

1134
00:39:29,930 --> 00:39:28,320
stories because one day maybe we'll have

1135
00:39:31,790 --> 00:39:29,940
science that will catch up and be able

1136
00:39:33,829 --> 00:39:31,800
to prove of these other things some

1137
00:39:36,050 --> 00:39:33,839
people are lying yes it's just the way

1138
00:39:38,030 --> 00:39:36,060
it is some people might not be but our

1139
00:39:39,770 --> 00:39:38,040
science isn't there yet to prove it and

1140
00:39:41,510 --> 00:39:39,780
maybe one day it will be

1141
00:39:43,430 --> 00:39:41,520
um but I think it's okay to listen you

1142
00:39:44,870 --> 00:39:43,440
just have to be you have to be mindful

1143
00:39:47,270 --> 00:39:44,880
that not everything's true and you can't

1144
00:39:49,069 --> 00:39:47,280
go down the rabbit hole of super

1145
00:39:50,810 --> 00:39:49,079
paranormal because I think that it can

1146
00:39:52,490 --> 00:39:50,820
be really dangerous as well it might

1147
00:39:57,310 --> 00:39:52,500
confuse you of what you think is real or

1148
00:40:00,890 --> 00:39:57,320
not yeah not to go not to drink the

1149
00:40:03,290 --> 00:40:00,900
kool-aids exactly just uh wear Nikes I

1150
00:40:04,849 --> 00:40:03,300
forgot about that that's such an oh such

1151
00:40:07,370 --> 00:40:04,859
a morbid detail yeah totally forgot

1152
00:40:09,589 --> 00:40:07,380
about that story the white Nikes how did

1153
00:40:12,109 --> 00:40:09,599
I forget that uh yeah I was gonna say

1154
00:40:14,690 --> 00:40:12,119
for you guys too uh when you do

1155
00:40:15,650 --> 00:40:14,700
something you know such as you do as the

1156
00:40:17,210 --> 00:40:15,660
debrief

1157
00:40:19,190 --> 00:40:17,220
um it has to be backed up like you guys

1158
00:40:20,630 --> 00:40:19,200
got to be able to back up you know what

1159
00:40:22,069 --> 00:40:20,640
you're saying that's the problem is

1160
00:40:23,990 --> 00:40:22,079
somebody you know

1161
00:40:25,430 --> 00:40:24,000
is going to question you well the

1162
00:40:26,690 --> 00:40:25,440
debunkers are still out there so

1163
00:40:29,270 --> 00:40:26,700
obviously you're still going to face

1164
00:40:31,430 --> 00:40:29,280
that but do you think um the debrief is

1165
00:40:33,050 --> 00:40:31,440
ever going to venture into other Realms

1166
00:40:35,690 --> 00:40:33,060
in ufology or is it just going to stick

1167
00:40:37,849 --> 00:40:35,700
to the military briefings for the time

1168
00:40:39,710 --> 00:40:37,859
being that's a great question right now

1169
00:40:41,270 --> 00:40:39,720
I'm not sure we're going to stay where

1170
00:40:43,250 --> 00:40:41,280
the course we are it doesn't mean that

1171
00:40:45,410 --> 00:40:43,260
we won't evolve he probably will at one

1172
00:40:47,750 --> 00:40:45,420
point as as the subject evolves we

1173
00:40:50,150 --> 00:40:47,760
evolve with it and the more evidence we

1174
00:40:52,069 --> 00:40:50,160
have and things that we can prove uh I'm

1175
00:40:53,630 --> 00:40:52,079
not an investigative journalist on this

1176
00:40:56,569 --> 00:40:53,640
side you know I'm public relations and a

1177
00:41:02,089 --> 00:40:56,579
contributor so my understanding of it in

1178
00:41:04,550 --> 00:41:02,099
is is not as vast it's as Tim and MJ and

1179
00:41:06,290 --> 00:41:04,560
Micah's would be they're like I love the

1180
00:41:08,990 --> 00:41:06,300
guys you know the one thing I say about

1181
00:41:10,970 --> 00:41:09,000
this and this is not just to keep my job

1182
00:41:12,710 --> 00:41:10,980
um it's to say is like these guys are

1183
00:41:15,349 --> 00:41:12,720
like they're true investigative

1184
00:41:17,329 --> 00:41:15,359
journalists like they do an amazing job

1185
00:41:20,270 --> 00:41:17,339
of how they vet through their

1186
00:41:22,490 --> 00:41:20,280
information and I get to see it and I'm

1187
00:41:24,230 --> 00:41:22,500
really proud to be part of that because

1188
00:41:26,809 --> 00:41:24,240
I know that they're trying to get to a

1189
00:41:28,910 --> 00:41:26,819
truth and they're trying to do something

1190
00:41:30,710 --> 00:41:28,920
um that's not different but they're

1191
00:41:33,710 --> 00:41:30,720
trying to come you know they're looking

1192
00:41:36,890 --> 00:41:33,720
at ufology and are looking at UFOs I

1193
00:41:38,690 --> 00:41:36,900
should say in a serious light then not

1194
00:41:40,490 --> 00:41:38,700
that everybody else isn't but they're

1195
00:41:42,349 --> 00:41:40,500
using it and doing it a different way

1196
00:41:44,290 --> 00:41:42,359
and trying to push it in a news format

1197
00:41:47,329 --> 00:41:44,300
as well where it's credible information

1198
00:41:49,309 --> 00:41:47,339
and the one thing that has been amazing

1199
00:41:50,990 --> 00:41:49,319
to see this and this this is why I

1200
00:41:53,210 --> 00:41:51,000
always say we have something special a

1201
00:41:54,550 --> 00:41:53,220
the team is just brilliant but outside

1202
00:41:57,890 --> 00:41:54,560
of that

1203
00:42:01,250 --> 00:41:57,900
we are breaking stories like Tim and

1204
00:42:03,470 --> 00:42:01,260
them are breaking stories about uaps and

1205
00:42:05,750 --> 00:42:03,480
mainstream media is picking it up like

1206
00:42:08,270 --> 00:42:05,760
when does that happen yeah that does not

1207
00:42:10,670 --> 00:42:08,280
happen every day when you get

1208
00:42:13,190 --> 00:42:10,680
independent journalism telling stories

1209
00:42:14,630 --> 00:42:13,200
to CNN and fox and people are listening

1210
00:42:16,430 --> 00:42:14,640
and they're picking it up and creating

1211
00:42:18,890 --> 00:42:16,440
you know the debrief back for that

1212
00:42:20,569 --> 00:42:18,900
breaking news it's unbelievable it's

1213
00:42:22,550 --> 00:42:20,579
great it's really amazing to play in

1214
00:42:25,250 --> 00:42:22,560
that space and to learn from them as

1215
00:42:27,410 --> 00:42:25,260
well because the more every day that I'm

1216
00:42:30,230 --> 00:42:27,420
with them I learn something new about

1217
00:42:31,609 --> 00:42:30,240
UFOs and I have or stories that might be

1218
00:42:32,809 --> 00:42:31,619
true or not or things that they've

1219
00:42:34,849 --> 00:42:32,819
learned that I than I would have ever

1220
00:42:37,010 --> 00:42:34,859
have learned before so I feel very

1221
00:42:39,170 --> 00:42:37,020
fortunate and lucky to be to be with

1222
00:42:39,950 --> 00:42:39,180
them to to learn through them you know

1223
00:42:41,870 --> 00:42:39,960
even though if they might not even

1224
00:42:44,270 --> 00:42:41,880
realize they're teaching me they are and

1225
00:42:46,069 --> 00:42:44,280
all of us in that point it becomes a

1226
00:42:48,349 --> 00:42:46,079
reliable source of information something

1227
00:42:51,890 --> 00:42:48,359
that you can depend on right the way

1228
00:42:53,930 --> 00:42:51,900
news used to be uh in this case it falls

1229
00:42:56,569 --> 00:42:53,940
under it's it's the way news should be

1230
00:42:58,010 --> 00:42:56,579
but with uaps which is why the debrief

1231
00:42:59,770 --> 00:42:58,020
is so awesome and I'm not just saying

1232
00:43:02,450 --> 00:42:59,780
that because Tim is coming on tomorrow

1233
00:43:04,730 --> 00:43:02,460
because you know obviously you guys are

1234
00:43:07,069 --> 00:43:04,740
doing a good job the communities is

1235
00:43:08,630 --> 00:43:07,079
thankful for that and I know that

1236
00:43:11,569 --> 00:43:08,640
there's a lot of [\h__\h] out there

1237
00:43:13,609 --> 00:43:11,579
that write stupid comments and just you

1238
00:43:15,530 --> 00:43:13,619
know like the poo poo on everything and

1239
00:43:18,829 --> 00:43:15,540
it's no different for this podcast as it

1240
00:43:21,290 --> 00:43:18,839
is for other podcasts or any writers out

1241
00:43:22,790 --> 00:43:21,300
there but those people aren't the ones

1242
00:43:24,170 --> 00:43:22,800
that are actually doing what you guys

1243
00:43:25,730 --> 00:43:24,180
are doing right you guys are actually

1244
00:43:27,109 --> 00:43:25,740
willing to put yourselves on the front

1245
00:43:29,270 --> 00:43:27,119
lines and say hey

1246
00:43:31,790 --> 00:43:29,280
I'll cover this no problem and you're

1247
00:43:34,250 --> 00:43:31,800
way ahead of the game personally like we

1248
00:43:37,190 --> 00:43:34,260
still have I think Global and CTV here

1249
00:43:39,230 --> 00:43:37,200
they never cover anything right and you

1250
00:43:41,030 --> 00:43:39,240
know what I'm talking about oh my God

1251
00:43:43,370 --> 00:43:41,040
yeah like they're like two weeks old

1252
00:43:45,349 --> 00:43:43,380
from like a story breaks behind

1253
00:43:47,270 --> 00:43:45,359
everything yeah well I laughed because

1254
00:43:49,069 --> 00:43:47,280
like you know I looked at even though

1255
00:43:50,270 --> 00:43:49,079
like when you're watching Global pick

1256
00:43:52,849 --> 00:43:50,280
something up it was like I watched

1257
00:43:55,609 --> 00:43:52,859
Jeremy Corbell stuff and you know they

1258
00:43:58,069 --> 00:43:55,619
the their side broke those stories but

1259
00:44:00,050 --> 00:43:58,079
it took Global and the Canadian side two

1260
00:44:01,730 --> 00:44:00,060
weeks I think it was to pick up a story

1261
00:44:03,890 --> 00:44:01,740
or it was a week and a half and I just

1262
00:44:06,230 --> 00:44:03,900
shook my head and I went really Canada

1263
00:44:07,790 --> 00:44:06,240
I'm like and also Canadian government

1264
00:44:09,710 --> 00:44:07,800
are we even gonna start having a

1265
00:44:11,510 --> 00:44:09,720
conversation about this correctly like

1266
00:44:12,890 --> 00:44:11,520
we haven't yet and I'm like and it's

1267
00:44:14,750 --> 00:44:12,900
probably gonna happen sooner than later

1268
00:44:16,490 --> 00:44:14,760
just because that's how Canada follows

1269
00:44:18,170 --> 00:44:16,500
suit no offense I love my country but we

1270
00:44:18,849 --> 00:44:18,180
just suck at yeah

1271
00:44:21,170 --> 00:44:18,859
um

1272
00:44:23,569 --> 00:44:21,180
that's why we go to the states to do it

1273
00:44:25,309 --> 00:44:23,579
because we have more information there's

1274
00:44:29,150 --> 00:44:25,319
more people doing more work down there

1275
00:44:30,650 --> 00:44:29,160
uh about it and and yeah I just it's one

1276
00:44:32,930 --> 00:44:30,660
of those things you know and I I look at

1277
00:44:34,490 --> 00:44:32,940
the debrief and I'm just I'm so proud of

1278
00:44:35,990 --> 00:44:34,500
those guys from what they started you

1279
00:44:38,930 --> 00:44:36,000
know and just happy yeah to be part of

1280
00:44:42,950 --> 00:44:38,940
it do you know I uh contacted or emailed

1281
00:44:44,270 --> 00:44:42,960
csis this week I did now I'm panicking

1282
00:44:46,730 --> 00:44:44,280
that they're like monitoring my house

1283
00:44:48,109 --> 00:44:46,740
but I just said I just said look I host

1284
00:44:50,390 --> 00:44:48,119
a podcast

1285
00:44:52,430 --> 00:44:50,400
um you know is there a louisando version

1286
00:44:54,230 --> 00:44:52,440
the Canadian version that we can speak

1287
00:44:58,250 --> 00:44:54,240
to on this

1288
00:45:00,349 --> 00:44:58,260
am I expecting csis to reply no I'm

1289
00:45:02,690 --> 00:45:00,359
expecting them to have a van outside my

1290
00:45:04,849 --> 00:45:02,700
house probably but

1291
00:45:06,410 --> 00:45:04,859
um it's worth asking just in case

1292
00:45:08,809 --> 00:45:06,420
somebody's like hey you know what yeah

1293
00:45:11,089 --> 00:45:08,819
maybe let's have a discussion about it

1294
00:45:13,490 --> 00:45:11,099
right we never hear anything on this

1295
00:45:15,890 --> 00:45:13,500
side or our militaries never talks about

1296
00:45:17,870 --> 00:45:15,900
it they just release all the info not

1297
00:45:20,990 --> 00:45:17,880
that long ago I mean several years ago

1298
00:45:23,690 --> 00:45:21,000
but yeah that's it nothing else well we

1299
00:45:25,849 --> 00:45:23,700
have a commemorative loony too that has

1300
00:45:28,870 --> 00:45:25,859
the Shang Harbor crash on our money

1301
00:45:31,550 --> 00:45:28,880
knows more than our military right

1302
00:45:34,550 --> 00:45:31,560
well and also I'm like Canada if you

1303
00:45:36,650 --> 00:45:34,560
know more just let it out like start

1304
00:45:39,410 --> 00:45:36,660
because if you're just giving us like

1305
00:45:43,190 --> 00:45:39,420
loonies with pictures on it of Shang

1306
00:45:45,290 --> 00:45:43,200
Harbor like I great but like you can do

1307
00:45:46,670 --> 00:45:45,300
better than that I just laughed when it

1308
00:45:48,290 --> 00:45:46,680
came out and nobody even really talked

1309
00:45:49,730 --> 00:45:48,300
about it and I'm like I tried to get one

1310
00:45:51,230 --> 00:45:49,740
because I was like freaking out I was

1311
00:45:53,150 --> 00:45:51,240
like there's a like and I guess there's

1312
00:45:56,030 --> 00:45:53,160
two loonies that have

1313
00:45:58,370 --> 00:45:56,040
um depict yeah oh the Manitoba one right

1314
00:46:00,470 --> 00:45:58,380
Falcon Lake yeah I believe it's a Falcon

1315
00:46:01,790 --> 00:46:00,480
Lake I believe there's two I thought it

1316
00:46:03,230 --> 00:46:01,800
was that was Shang

1317
00:46:05,270 --> 00:46:03,240
um there's shag Harbor but the other

1318
00:46:07,609 --> 00:46:05,280
incident was Falcon Lake Manitoba wasn't

1319
00:46:09,770 --> 00:46:07,619
it with uh yeah yeah I thought that okay

1320
00:46:11,390 --> 00:46:09,780
maybe I'm confusing my loonies but I

1321
00:46:13,609 --> 00:46:11,400
know there's there's two there's two

1322
00:46:16,130 --> 00:46:13,619
images maybe they're both on there

1323
00:46:18,290 --> 00:46:16,140
um of of the like yeah of a UFO crashing

1324
00:46:19,550 --> 00:46:18,300
and I and or going into the water that

1325
00:46:20,630 --> 00:46:19,560
was the other thing someone said I'm

1326
00:46:21,829 --> 00:46:20,640
like because they're like oh it's

1327
00:46:23,750 --> 00:46:21,839
crashing the water I'm like how do you

1328
00:46:25,550 --> 00:46:23,760
know it's not going into the water I'm

1329
00:46:27,470 --> 00:46:25,560
like now that we know of and someone

1330
00:46:29,750 --> 00:46:27,480
just mind blew up and I'm like oh yeah

1331
00:46:31,790 --> 00:46:29,760
I'm like I'm I want that Looney they

1332
00:46:33,349 --> 00:46:31,800
never found a ship yeah they never found

1333
00:46:34,490 --> 00:46:33,359
a ship they searched exactly high and

1334
00:46:36,890 --> 00:46:34,500
low and they couldn't find anything we

1335
00:46:38,329 --> 00:46:36,900
know now that there's Usos exactly

1336
00:46:39,589 --> 00:46:38,339
underneath the water so yeah it makes

1337
00:46:42,290 --> 00:46:39,599
total sense that that's what they

1338
00:46:44,750 --> 00:46:42,300
witnessed just that going back to bed I

1339
00:46:46,670 --> 00:46:44,760
guess yeah I hope that we have better

1340
00:46:48,050 --> 00:46:46,680
images in the next little bit that comes

1341
00:46:50,510 --> 00:46:48,060
out if we're only getting anything in

1342
00:46:53,990 --> 00:46:50,520
the 180 days it's hopefully going to be

1343
00:46:57,290 --> 00:46:54,000
I want it Tic Tac on my 50 Bill all

1344
00:46:59,630 --> 00:46:57,300
right I want a black triangle on a

1345
00:47:01,250 --> 00:46:59,640
hundred that's what I want and then it's

1346
00:47:03,530 --> 00:47:01,260
official in Canada they've officially

1347
00:47:04,670 --> 00:47:03,540
come out cartoons already have UFOs

1348
00:47:07,430 --> 00:47:04,680
might as well have it on the other

1349
00:47:12,069 --> 00:47:07,440
builds as well so or is it toonies maybe

1350
00:47:17,030 --> 00:47:14,450
okay but I think they did too because

1351
00:47:18,950 --> 00:47:17,040
like the the two incidences I think or I

1352
00:47:20,990 --> 00:47:18,960
might be mistaken here but I thought

1353
00:47:23,690 --> 00:47:21,000
that they made one for shag and one for

1354
00:47:25,730 --> 00:47:23,700
Falcon Lake as well but I could be

1355
00:47:27,829 --> 00:47:25,740
mistaken you know um I should probably

1356
00:47:30,230 --> 00:47:27,839
look into maybe buying it it's like 20

1357
00:47:32,210 --> 00:47:30,240
bucks for a toonie seems

1358
00:47:34,250 --> 00:47:32,220
counterproductive isn't it like I tried

1359
00:47:36,230 --> 00:47:34,260
yeah did you tried yeah I couldn't get

1360
00:47:38,210 --> 00:47:36,240
one so I don't know how much they are

1361
00:47:41,390 --> 00:47:38,220
now they're probably on Amazon

1362
00:47:42,950 --> 00:47:41,400
eBay somewhere for a lot more but I do

1363
00:47:44,569 --> 00:47:42,960
well if you get your hands on one I'll

1364
00:47:47,270 --> 00:47:44,579
probably be circulated sometime right

1365
00:47:49,250 --> 00:47:47,280
you get lucky uh I was gonna say with

1366
00:47:50,329 --> 00:47:49,260
all that you got going on because uh

1367
00:47:53,089 --> 00:47:50,339
you're the owner of all cap

1368
00:47:56,030 --> 00:47:53,099
Communications you co-host uh alt pop

1369
00:47:58,670 --> 00:47:56,040
repeat and you're also doing this stuff

1370
00:48:01,549 --> 00:47:58,680
with uh the debrief how do you balance

1371
00:48:03,410 --> 00:48:01,559
that uh with just being able to step

1372
00:48:05,750 --> 00:48:03,420
back sometimes without it swarming

1373
00:48:07,790 --> 00:48:05,760
because that's a lot of work uh

1374
00:48:10,490 --> 00:48:07,800
especially in in UFOs I mean you're not

1375
00:48:12,650 --> 00:48:10,500
always talking UFOs but it revolves

1376
00:48:15,470 --> 00:48:12,660
around that so how do you take a break

1377
00:48:17,690 --> 00:48:15,480
do you just you know take a month off do

1378
00:48:19,970 --> 00:48:17,700
you just I haven't solved the subject

1379
00:48:21,770 --> 00:48:19,980
you haven't done that yet no

1380
00:48:23,870 --> 00:48:21,780
um I because I've recently started with

1381
00:48:26,089 --> 00:48:23,880
the debrief I think gosh was it early

1382
00:48:29,770 --> 00:48:26,099
February I believe or January you're not

1383
00:48:32,690 --> 00:48:29,780
fed up of them yet okay yeah yeah

1384
00:48:35,030 --> 00:48:32,700
it's usually two years in are we on the

1385
00:48:37,730 --> 00:48:35,040
next podcast I'm like oh God I was

1386
00:48:40,130 --> 00:48:37,740
joking right I'm just joking

1387
00:48:42,950 --> 00:48:40,140
um that no so it's uh

1388
00:48:44,390 --> 00:48:42,960
first of all I love the topic so and I

1389
00:48:47,150 --> 00:48:44,400
love the debrief and I love the team in

1390
00:48:49,549 --> 00:48:47,160
it because it's like a in a way it's a

1391
00:48:52,490 --> 00:48:49,559
family and I get to talk to people about

1392
00:48:55,010 --> 00:48:52,500
a subject I really like and enjoy and

1393
00:48:57,349 --> 00:48:55,020
generally consume on my off time anyway

1394
00:49:00,049 --> 00:48:57,359
you know I got to watch T I ended up

1395
00:49:02,030 --> 00:49:00,059
watching it was able to watch uh TV and

1396
00:49:04,069 --> 00:49:02,040
I was like what is that 60 Minutes piece

1397
00:49:05,630 --> 00:49:04,079
coming out I like messaged the group in

1398
00:49:07,130 --> 00:49:05,640
our group chat

1399
00:49:08,690 --> 00:49:07,140
um because I was like I finally get to

1400
00:49:11,089 --> 00:49:08,700
watch some television and so go figure

1401
00:49:13,549 --> 00:49:11,099
it's like the one thing I want to watch

1402
00:49:15,230 --> 00:49:13,559
um but I do I try to I try to consume as

1403
00:49:16,790 --> 00:49:15,240
much I'm also I'm here in conversations

1404
00:49:18,829 --> 00:49:16,800
I'm seeing stuff that's going on in the

1405
00:49:20,990 --> 00:49:18,839
media so I'm consuming it uh

1406
00:49:23,329 --> 00:49:21,000
consistently so there is an interesting

1407
00:49:25,609 --> 00:49:23,339
balance where you have to do uh so most

1408
00:49:28,370 --> 00:49:25,619
of the time is I I treat the debrief

1409
00:49:30,049 --> 00:49:28,380
like vocab I you know mix it in with my

1410
00:49:31,970 --> 00:49:30,059
day so I'm scheduling certain days for

1411
00:49:34,730 --> 00:49:31,980
both or Times breaking news happens

1412
00:49:36,049 --> 00:49:34,740
sometimes I have to reshift my schedule

1413
00:49:37,609 --> 00:49:36,059
um but I'm able to do it I also have a

1414
00:49:39,170 --> 00:49:37,619
team in vocab like you have two other

1415
00:49:40,609 --> 00:49:39,180
people that work with me

1416
00:49:42,410 --> 00:49:40,619
um so they're able to do other stuff

1417
00:49:44,510 --> 00:49:42,420
when I'm taking care of clients as well

1418
00:49:47,270 --> 00:49:44,520
so it's really scheduling understanding

1419
00:49:50,089 --> 00:49:47,280
how to schedule my life is scheduled to

1420
00:49:53,450 --> 00:49:50,099
to the hour sometimes when it comes to

1421
00:49:55,609 --> 00:49:53,460
like working out uh like just editing

1422
00:49:57,290 --> 00:49:55,619
doing all those things spending time

1423
00:49:59,510 --> 00:49:57,300
with my family you know going to the

1424
00:50:01,370 --> 00:49:59,520
dentist like normal stuff and it's and

1425
00:50:02,750 --> 00:50:01,380
it's hard because I don't have a massive

1426
00:50:04,609 --> 00:50:02,760
team like I have obviously we have the

1427
00:50:06,710 --> 00:50:04,619
team at the debrief but of myself it's

1428
00:50:08,510 --> 00:50:06,720
not it's me so

1429
00:50:09,770 --> 00:50:08,520
um I know that working out and stuff

1430
00:50:12,049 --> 00:50:09,780
like that and trying to eat healthy is

1431
00:50:13,910 --> 00:50:12,059
important and then also doing things

1432
00:50:15,890 --> 00:50:13,920
that I know that I can't do if I can't

1433
00:50:18,770 --> 00:50:15,900
do it I have to say and be reasonable to

1434
00:50:21,109 --> 00:50:18,780
it myself and sleep and you know and

1435
00:50:22,670 --> 00:50:21,119
yeah and then along with like work like

1436
00:50:24,410 --> 00:50:22,680
usually when I'm done vocab maybe during

1437
00:50:26,450 --> 00:50:24,420
the day and I've done very debrief stuff

1438
00:50:29,150 --> 00:50:26,460
then I work on all pop repeat at night

1439
00:50:30,589 --> 00:50:29,160
and then usually within the the other

1440
00:50:32,210 --> 00:50:30,599
podcasts that I'm with the New Frontier

1441
00:50:34,190 --> 00:50:32,220
Network you know thankfully I'm not

1442
00:50:36,170 --> 00:50:34,200
doing any editing uh with Derek he's

1443
00:50:38,210 --> 00:50:36,180
amazing who does her editing so he does

1444
00:50:40,910 --> 00:50:38,220
so I'm just booking talent and or

1445
00:50:43,309 --> 00:50:40,920
interviews experts to be on the podcast

1446
00:50:44,990 --> 00:50:43,319
with them and the guys are too so at

1447
00:50:47,030 --> 00:50:45,000
least I that there have more of a team

1448
00:50:48,710 --> 00:50:47,040
of a group of us doing stuff right so

1449
00:50:50,450 --> 00:50:48,720
it's just a it's a balancing game but I

1450
00:50:51,650 --> 00:50:50,460
do enjoy it like I will take a vacation

1451
00:50:53,630 --> 00:50:51,660
one day

1452
00:50:55,549 --> 00:50:53,640
yeah well it sounds like you got along

1453
00:50:59,030 --> 00:50:55,559
the go I personally like to stay in

1454
00:51:01,430 --> 00:50:59,040
shape round is a shape so I like to

1455
00:51:03,530 --> 00:51:01,440
think I kept my shape but the uh the

1456
00:51:06,109 --> 00:51:03,540
thing is for me I is trying to detach

1457
00:51:08,510 --> 00:51:06,119
myself from the UFO stuff sometimes and

1458
00:51:10,910 --> 00:51:08,520
then spend time with the family and you

1459
00:51:12,890 --> 00:51:10,920
know detach myself in the podcast like

1460
00:51:15,109 --> 00:51:12,900
but I'm having a harder time like it's

1461
00:51:17,510 --> 00:51:15,119
just like I just want to take two weeks

1462
00:51:19,430 --> 00:51:17,520
where I don't even think UFOs or uaps

1463
00:51:21,430 --> 00:51:19,440
but this isn't the time to do it because

1464
00:51:23,510 --> 00:51:21,440
everything's coming out

1465
00:51:25,010 --> 00:51:23,520
you know what somebody else said that to

1466
00:51:26,510 --> 00:51:25,020
me UFO Jane because like some of the

1467
00:51:28,430 --> 00:51:26,520
women we obviously do talk to each other

1468
00:51:30,349 --> 00:51:28,440
and she sent me a note she's like I'm so

1469
00:51:31,790 --> 00:51:30,359
busy working she's like but like we're

1470
00:51:34,370 --> 00:51:31,800
in the middle of so much information

1471
00:51:36,589 --> 00:51:34,380
she's like and I'm just trying to keep

1472
00:51:38,930 --> 00:51:36,599
up with it Chrissy and I said I know I'm

1473
00:51:41,210 --> 00:51:38,940
like I I feel you and it's you can't

1474
00:51:45,170 --> 00:51:41,220
really take a break but at the same time

1475
00:51:48,170 --> 00:51:45,180
I miss it like I really I I spend a lot

1476
00:51:51,589 --> 00:51:48,180
of my time on in clubhouse if I do have

1477
00:51:53,329 --> 00:51:51,599
time in like UFO groups I spend my time

1478
00:51:55,490 --> 00:51:53,339
you know talking with the debrief guys

1479
00:51:57,109 --> 00:51:55,500
like I really find myself in that

1480
00:51:58,549 --> 00:51:57,119
Community a lot

1481
00:51:59,870 --> 00:51:58,559
um and even previously before the

1482
00:52:03,829 --> 00:51:59,880
debrief I was like going to take

1483
00:52:05,210 --> 00:52:03,839
vacations to like go do UFO stuff and uh

1484
00:52:06,470 --> 00:52:05,220
my ex-boyfriend was like where are you

1485
00:52:08,809 --> 00:52:06,480
going I was like oh I'm just gonna plan

1486
00:52:11,510 --> 00:52:08,819
like you know some UFO activity it's

1487
00:52:14,390 --> 00:52:11,520
just like shakes his head came into

1488
00:52:17,930 --> 00:52:14,400
Woods it's fine it's okay you know and

1489
00:52:20,329 --> 00:52:17,940
so I like it like I enjoy it and I it's

1490
00:52:23,089 --> 00:52:20,339
it's part of my life but I do it does

1491
00:52:25,670 --> 00:52:23,099
become consuming a lot because there's a

1492
00:52:27,829 --> 00:52:25,680
lot of information coming at us and also

1493
00:52:28,730 --> 00:52:27,839
you know understanding all of it too you

1494
00:52:30,290 --> 00:52:28,740
know and breaking it down because

1495
00:52:31,790 --> 00:52:30,300
sometimes when you look at things that

1496
00:52:33,890 --> 00:52:31,800
are coming out of the Pentagon not

1497
00:52:35,150 --> 00:52:33,900
everything's easy you know if we were

1498
00:52:37,130 --> 00:52:35,160
really you're just getting into this

1499
00:52:40,069 --> 00:52:37,140
you're like what what does this even

1500
00:52:40,970 --> 00:52:40,079
mean like you know where where are these

1501
00:52:42,710 --> 00:52:40,980
other players comes like who's

1502
00:52:45,170 --> 00:52:42,720
Christopher melon who's you know you

1503
00:52:47,870 --> 00:52:45,180
know like who's who's like I can imagine

1504
00:52:50,390 --> 00:52:47,880
people coming into this being like what

1505
00:52:52,069 --> 00:52:50,400
and when you start talking like I've had

1506
00:52:54,290 --> 00:52:52,079
this with outside of people and in the

1507
00:52:55,970 --> 00:52:54,300
community where someone like for example

1508
00:52:57,710 --> 00:52:55,980
say you and I are having a conversation

1509
00:52:59,270 --> 00:52:57,720
just we were hanging out and chatting

1510
00:53:01,609 --> 00:52:59,280
about it people that don't know anything

1511
00:53:03,589 --> 00:53:01,619
about UFOs this is like Greek to them

1512
00:53:05,930 --> 00:53:03,599
they're like who are you talking about

1513
00:53:08,510 --> 00:53:05,940
intelligence who's this person that's

1514
00:53:11,030 --> 00:53:08,520
here like what's with the Pentagon like

1515
00:53:13,670 --> 00:53:11,040
for them it's it's blows their mind and

1516
00:53:15,650 --> 00:53:13,680
I watch that too because they they have

1517
00:53:18,650 --> 00:53:15,660
no idea and they're like who are these

1518
00:53:20,390 --> 00:53:18,660
key players and I go well this is

1519
00:53:22,190 --> 00:53:20,400
welcome to the community like this is

1520
00:53:24,410 --> 00:53:22,200
what this is about and it's a narrative

1521
00:53:26,750 --> 00:53:24,420
that we've it's like a drama it's a soap

1522
00:53:28,790 --> 00:53:26,760
opera a real life soap opera that we've

1523
00:53:30,770 --> 00:53:28,800
been watching unfolds with lots of key

1524
00:53:33,650 --> 00:53:30,780
players but it's real and it's like

1525
00:53:35,930 --> 00:53:33,660
affecting the world it's it's a wild

1526
00:53:37,609 --> 00:53:35,940
topic like it really is do you know what

1527
00:53:40,430 --> 00:53:37,619
data for my wife was the movie The

1528
00:53:41,930 --> 00:53:40,440
phenomenon that Jamie Foxx made that's

1529
00:53:44,210 --> 00:53:41,940
the one that that's the one that's that

1530
00:53:46,250 --> 00:53:44,220
put the nail in the coffin for her to

1531
00:53:47,690 --> 00:53:46,260
believe in in this whole thing and you

1532
00:53:49,910 --> 00:53:47,700
know I was talking about for years

1533
00:53:52,190 --> 00:53:49,920
didn't matter but she sees the movie

1534
00:53:54,410 --> 00:53:52,200
like an hour and a half long and she's

1535
00:53:56,030 --> 00:53:54,420
like what how come nobody knows about

1536
00:53:57,589 --> 00:53:56,040
this I'm like that's what we're trying

1537
00:54:00,650 --> 00:53:57,599
to tell people like I've been telling

1538
00:54:02,569 --> 00:54:00,660
you for years now exactly like how come

1539
00:54:04,190 --> 00:54:02,579
when I say it it doesn't that's the

1540
00:54:05,510 --> 00:54:04,200
thing about people like if you meet a

1541
00:54:08,329 --> 00:54:05,520
stranger and a stranger tells you

1542
00:54:10,370 --> 00:54:08,339
something it must be true why would the

1543
00:54:12,410 --> 00:54:10,380
stranger be full of [\h__\h]

1544
00:54:13,970 --> 00:54:12,420
now you know they are because you could

1545
00:54:15,589 --> 00:54:13,980
just Google it I remember when I was a

1546
00:54:17,569 --> 00:54:15,599
kid like anybody could say anything and

1547
00:54:20,030 --> 00:54:17,579
you couldn't search it you know somebody

1548
00:54:21,410 --> 00:54:20,040
tells you that dolphin lays 900 eggs you

1549
00:54:24,170 --> 00:54:21,420
believe them like there's you couldn't

1550
00:54:26,750 --> 00:54:24,180
search that up right yeah but uh that

1551
00:54:28,069 --> 00:54:26,760
times are changing so for yourself do

1552
00:54:31,370 --> 00:54:28,079
you have anything in the works right now

1553
00:54:33,770 --> 00:54:31,380
uh a new article maybe dropping soon oh

1554
00:54:35,990 --> 00:54:33,780
thanks uh yeah I'm going to rebelliously

1555
00:54:37,609 --> 00:54:36,000
curious with Chrissy Newton is a show

1556
00:54:39,170 --> 00:54:37,619
that I work just like fun little Clips

1557
00:54:41,150 --> 00:54:39,180
information videos that are coming out

1558
00:54:43,670 --> 00:54:41,160
I'm going to turn it into uh an

1559
00:54:45,230 --> 00:54:43,680
interview Style Show now so different a

1560
00:54:47,150 --> 00:54:45,240
whole different intro everything else

1561
00:54:49,549 --> 00:54:47,160
different guests so I'm really excited

1562
00:54:51,530 --> 00:54:49,559
about that uh because I get to I get to

1563
00:54:53,870 --> 00:54:51,540
play in both sides on this and that's

1564
00:54:55,849 --> 00:54:53,880
the beauty of it is I get to do PR at

1565
00:54:57,890 --> 00:54:55,859
the debrief and do what I love and

1566
00:55:00,410 --> 00:54:57,900
that's a passion that for me is for sure

1567
00:55:02,870 --> 00:55:00,420
that doesn't go away but then I also get

1568
00:55:04,730 --> 00:55:02,880
to make content and that's even another

1569
00:55:07,849 --> 00:55:04,740
passion so I get to do both and it's

1570
00:55:09,829 --> 00:55:07,859
about UFOs like it's like a win-win I

1571
00:55:11,990 --> 00:55:09,839
know right the subject talks about

1572
00:55:13,910 --> 00:55:12,000
itself that's a win-win so when is that

1573
00:55:16,490 --> 00:55:13,920
starting or is that already starting to

1574
00:55:18,049 --> 00:55:16,500
start not yet well rebelliously curious

1575
00:55:20,030 --> 00:55:18,059
with Chrissy Newton is already out but

1576
00:55:22,250 --> 00:55:20,040
I'm the new show format will start in

1577
00:55:23,750 --> 00:55:22,260
the next couple weeks so I'm just I'm

1578
00:55:24,829 --> 00:55:23,760
bringing guests yeah

1579
00:55:26,569 --> 00:55:24,839
um I'm just bringing different guests on

1580
00:55:28,490 --> 00:55:26,579
right now that I'm trying to book so I'm

1581
00:55:30,289 --> 00:55:28,500
excited about that well let us know when

1582
00:55:32,089 --> 00:55:30,299
you drop your first episode we'll post

1583
00:55:34,309 --> 00:55:32,099
it on the Facebook group okay thank you

1584
00:55:36,530 --> 00:55:34,319
make sure everybody's there so I thank

1585
00:55:38,630 --> 00:55:36,540
you so much for joining us uh today on

1586
00:55:41,569 --> 00:55:38,640
UAP studies it was a blast talking to

1587
00:55:43,789 --> 00:55:41,579
you I was uh mentioning to I think with

1588
00:55:46,490 --> 00:55:43,799
Sev talk that was on several episodes

1589
00:55:48,950 --> 00:55:46,500
back just how it was it's been very hard

1590
00:55:51,289 --> 00:55:48,960
for me to get females to come on and

1591
00:55:53,809 --> 00:55:51,299
talk about you know their investigations

1592
00:55:56,809 --> 00:55:53,819
and stuff like that and just that I want

1593
00:55:58,849 --> 00:55:56,819
you know more of of everybody more

1594
00:56:01,849 --> 00:55:58,859
diversity not just you know white old

1595
00:56:03,650 --> 00:56:01,859
men uh she agreed so it's nice to see

1596
00:56:06,950 --> 00:56:03,660
it's nice to see the community to come

1597
00:56:08,870 --> 00:56:06,960
together and um and be so uh inviting

1598
00:56:11,990 --> 00:56:08,880
for everybody this is has nothing to do

1599
00:56:13,910 --> 00:56:12,000
with religion or where you live on this

1600
00:56:16,190 --> 00:56:13,920
planet this is the subject that unifies

1601
00:56:17,690 --> 00:56:16,200
us all so I think that's the aspect that

1602
00:56:20,329 --> 00:56:17,700
I like about it that's a little bit

1603
00:56:22,430 --> 00:56:20,339
different than religion you know I agree

1604
00:56:23,990 --> 00:56:22,440
and you know what the first thing I was

1605
00:56:26,450 --> 00:56:24,000
worried about getting into this people

1606
00:56:28,609 --> 00:56:26,460
are like who is this chick you know like

1607
00:56:29,990 --> 00:56:28,619
we've never seen you before and I was

1608
00:56:31,010 --> 00:56:30,000
scared I was gonna get and this doesn't

1609
00:56:32,809 --> 00:56:31,020
have it doesn't mean it's not gonna

1610
00:56:34,430 --> 00:56:32,819
happen yet um I know that some people

1611
00:56:36,170 --> 00:56:34,440
think that and I should probably clarify

1612
00:56:38,690 --> 00:56:36,180
for certain people that they think we

1613
00:56:41,089 --> 00:56:38,700
work for the CIA at the debrief and all

1614
00:56:43,730 --> 00:56:41,099
this kind of stuff all these rooms I

1615
00:56:45,829 --> 00:56:43,740
know like and that we're part of like

1616
00:56:48,470 --> 00:56:45,839
reptilians and it's like no we're not

1617
00:56:50,630 --> 00:56:48,480
you know so uh no we're independent

1618
00:56:53,270 --> 00:56:50,640
journalists none of us uh are hired from

1619
00:56:55,549 --> 00:56:53,280
the government to do any of this we are

1620
00:56:57,289 --> 00:56:55,559
doing it on our own uh to clarify for

1621
00:56:59,030 --> 00:56:57,299
some people that think that we're CI

1622
00:57:01,190 --> 00:56:59,040
agents which is not true

1623
00:57:03,170 --> 00:57:01,200
um but yeah I'm like the the whole thing

1624
00:57:04,250 --> 00:57:03,180
about when I first started was that I

1625
00:57:06,470 --> 00:57:04,260
was worried that people are going to be

1626
00:57:08,870 --> 00:57:06,480
like who is she like she just shows up

1627
00:57:10,970 --> 00:57:08,880
and you know and that hasn't been the

1628
00:57:12,410 --> 00:57:10,980
case and I am thankful people and I

1629
00:57:14,450 --> 00:57:12,420
thank the community for being really

1630
00:57:15,829 --> 00:57:14,460
welcoming to me and being wonderful

1631
00:57:17,630 --> 00:57:15,839
doesn't mean that I'm not going to get

1632
00:57:19,370 --> 00:57:17,640
you know some people are gonna make some

1633
00:57:21,410 --> 00:57:19,380
negative comments but so far it's been

1634
00:57:23,690 --> 00:57:21,420
really nice and the women and the men

1635
00:57:25,730 --> 00:57:23,700
have been really abrasive and I also see

1636
00:57:27,530 --> 00:57:25,740
that a lot of men in the community are

1637
00:57:29,510 --> 00:57:27,540
championing a lot of women right now

1638
00:57:31,069 --> 00:57:29,520
that whole the Demi Lovato thing too

1639
00:57:33,049 --> 00:57:31,079
that just came out

1640
00:57:34,970 --> 00:57:33,059
um which she's gonna be right and it's

1641
00:57:37,010 --> 00:57:34,980
interesting because my first thought was

1642
00:57:39,049 --> 00:57:37,020
instantly where I was like oh she

1643
00:57:40,849 --> 00:57:39,059
doesn't know anything about UFOs and

1644
00:57:43,010 --> 00:57:40,859
then I thought you know what it's a

1645
00:57:44,270 --> 00:57:43,020
start it's a start and it doesn't mean

1646
00:57:46,190 --> 00:57:44,280
that and who knows what she's gonna do

1647
00:57:48,289 --> 00:57:46,200
she's going to do a good job or not but

1648
00:57:50,450 --> 00:57:48,299
the point is that she might open the

1649
00:57:52,370 --> 00:57:50,460
door for other women and within the UFO

1650
00:57:53,809 --> 00:57:52,380
Community to start having larger voices

1651
00:57:56,270 --> 00:57:53,819
because she ended up putting a light on

1652
00:57:57,710 --> 00:57:56,280
it and she's a woman or even Stars even

1653
00:58:00,049 --> 00:57:57,720
like you know people in the

1654
00:58:03,289 --> 00:58:00,059
entertainment side what's uh Miley Cyrus

1655
00:58:05,329 --> 00:58:03,299
had a pretty holy [\h__\h] UFO close

1656
00:58:08,089 --> 00:58:05,339
encounter so you know just getting these

1657
00:58:09,890 --> 00:58:08,099
people out I think would be yeah get

1658
00:58:11,089 --> 00:58:09,900
down and I've seen a lot of pot yeah and

1659
00:58:13,190 --> 00:58:11,099
I've seen a lot of positive

1660
00:58:16,010 --> 00:58:13,200
conversations on UFO Twitter about women

1661
00:58:17,630 --> 00:58:16,020
being going forward and then other women

1662
00:58:20,030 --> 00:58:17,640
that need to be represented that don't

1663
00:58:22,609 --> 00:58:20,040
that have done amazing research you know

1664
00:58:24,170 --> 00:58:22,619
that have done lots of research compared

1665
00:58:26,930 --> 00:58:24,180
to a lot of us that have other voices

1666
00:58:29,030 --> 00:58:26,940
that need to be heard too so I'm I'm

1667
00:58:30,349 --> 00:58:29,040
really optimistic about more women and a

1668
00:58:32,990 --> 00:58:30,359
lot of younger like look at Christina

1669
00:58:34,670 --> 00:58:33,000
Gomez from our team she's she's a she

1670
00:58:36,710 --> 00:58:34,680
she's the smartest gen zat I've ever met

1671
00:58:38,930 --> 00:58:36,720
in my life like she's brilliant like

1672
00:58:41,270 --> 00:58:38,940
she's she really is brilliant

1673
00:58:43,789 --> 00:58:41,280
um so we're gonna see I hope we have

1674
00:58:45,829 --> 00:58:43,799
more of her and if she is the version of

1675
00:58:48,950 --> 00:58:45,839
the next UFO generation that's coming up

1676
00:58:50,870 --> 00:58:48,960
we are fine yeah yeah no that's I'm

1677
00:58:52,010 --> 00:58:50,880
totally proud of everybody that's coming

1678
00:58:53,510 --> 00:58:52,020
out

1679
00:58:55,010 --> 00:58:53,520
um and I tell them every every time

1680
00:58:57,230 --> 00:58:55,020
somebody new comes out I follow them

1681
00:58:59,210 --> 00:58:57,240
right away uh just give them you know

1682
00:59:00,589 --> 00:58:59,220
the the big thanks because I think it's

1683
00:59:02,809 --> 00:59:00,599
awesome and I think we our communities

1684
00:59:04,430 --> 00:59:02,819
are finally get yeah we're coming up

1685
00:59:07,609 --> 00:59:04,440
baby we're cool we're coming up cool

1686
00:59:09,049 --> 00:59:07,619
kids are here we are it's great and I

1687
00:59:10,910 --> 00:59:09,059
laughed because I love it I'm like and I

1688
00:59:12,890 --> 00:59:10,920
love that more people are jumping on the

1689
00:59:14,569 --> 00:59:12,900
bandwagon I think it's again like it's a

1690
00:59:17,089 --> 00:59:14,579
counterculture that's turned into like a

1691
00:59:19,609 --> 00:59:17,099
mainstream like a mainstream culture

1692
00:59:21,109 --> 00:59:19,619
like give it another 10 years like it's

1693
00:59:23,030 --> 00:59:21,119
UFOs are even going to be more

1694
00:59:24,530 --> 00:59:23,040
mainstream than we've ever thought but

1695
00:59:27,650 --> 00:59:24,540
then watch the drop be something like

1696
00:59:29,630 --> 00:59:27,660
horrific like yes they're here and uh

1697
00:59:31,930 --> 00:59:29,640
the plan is is that uh

1698
00:59:35,329 --> 00:59:31,940
they're gonna eat US

1699
00:59:37,849 --> 00:59:35,339
ah damn it's like all these years of

1700
00:59:40,130 --> 00:59:37,859
ufology just gone on the toilet but uh

1701
00:59:42,170 --> 00:59:40,140
let's hope that's not the let's hope

1702
00:59:43,849 --> 00:59:42,180
that's not the case well Nick Pope said

1703
00:59:45,710 --> 00:59:43,859
something to me in a yeah in an

1704
00:59:47,930 --> 00:59:45,720
interview with the new the new frontier

1705
00:59:49,910 --> 00:59:47,940
Network and he said that you know if

1706
00:59:51,289 --> 00:59:49,920
they're the Demonic or not people in the

1707
00:59:53,809 --> 00:59:51,299
government are still deciding that and I

1708
00:59:55,490 --> 00:59:53,819
was like I don't I just it left me I

1709
00:59:57,349 --> 00:59:55,500
know and I'm like oh we had to go down

1710
01:00:00,049 --> 00:59:57,359
that road I'm like I know that we have

1711
01:00:02,569 --> 01:00:00,059
like we do have to look at what it what

1712
01:00:04,309 --> 01:00:02,579
it is but you know I'm hoping I'm gonna

1713
01:00:06,109 --> 01:00:04,319
stay on the optimistic side that it's

1714
01:00:07,549 --> 01:00:06,119
good and that you know it's it's not

1715
01:00:09,890 --> 01:00:07,559
going to be something bad well because

1716
01:00:11,809 --> 01:00:09,900
yeah because Lou had mentioned that that

1717
01:00:13,490 --> 01:00:11,819
was a huge problem

1718
01:00:15,829 --> 01:00:13,500
um that the religious aspects especially

1719
01:00:19,130 --> 01:00:15,839
in politics is like we don't talk about

1720
01:00:20,390 --> 01:00:19,140
UFOs you know it's only Jesus Christ not

1721
01:00:22,430 --> 01:00:20,400
that there's anything wrong with that

1722
01:00:24,349 --> 01:00:22,440
but there is something wrong if we're

1723
01:00:27,170 --> 01:00:24,359
ignoring something that's like very real

1724
01:00:29,390 --> 01:00:27,180
and we're not addressing it over beliefs

1725
01:00:31,370 --> 01:00:29,400
and you know just saying it makes me

1726
01:00:34,010 --> 01:00:31,380
feel uncomfortable it's an icky subject

1727
01:00:35,569 --> 01:00:34,020
right and I mentioned this before but

1728
01:00:38,329 --> 01:00:35,579
it's it's kind of like you know somebody

1729
01:00:39,410 --> 01:00:38,339
who's uh somebody's abused trying to

1730
01:00:41,809 --> 01:00:39,420
tell people and people are like oh

1731
01:00:43,490 --> 01:00:41,819
you're just crazy but it's like no now

1732
01:00:44,809 --> 01:00:43,500
there's validity now right like all

1733
01:00:47,390 --> 01:00:44,819
those people speaking up for all those

1734
01:00:49,190 --> 01:00:47,400
years yeah finally that's what I say

1735
01:00:50,450 --> 01:00:49,200
about uh abductions and everything else

1736
01:00:52,130 --> 01:00:50,460
I said we don't know I know you want to

1737
01:00:53,870 --> 01:00:52,140
close this podcast down soon no no no no

1738
01:00:54,340 --> 01:00:53,880
I'm just making sure I'm not wasting

1739
01:00:58,930 --> 01:00:54,350
your time

1740
01:01:04,490 --> 01:01:01,970
like abductions and stuff like

1741
01:01:05,930 --> 01:01:04,500
um you know that's it's a I try to stay

1742
01:01:07,130 --> 01:01:05,940
away from that obviously we talk about

1743
01:01:09,650 --> 01:01:07,140
reporting and stuff because we don't

1744
01:01:12,049 --> 01:01:09,660
have real legit evidence on it but it

1745
01:01:13,910 --> 01:01:12,059
doesn't mean that people that are going

1746
01:01:16,910 --> 01:01:13,920
through these experiences it's real to

1747
01:01:18,589 --> 01:01:16,920
them and I think we have to have empathy

1748
01:01:20,930 --> 01:01:18,599
as a community towards those people

1749
01:01:22,130 --> 01:01:20,940
because a could be mental health you

1750
01:01:24,410 --> 01:01:22,140
know there is a lot of mental health

1751
01:01:26,390 --> 01:01:24,420
issues in the community we do know that

1752
01:01:28,430 --> 01:01:26,400
yeah we don't always talk about them but

1753
01:01:30,049 --> 01:01:28,440
they're they're there you know um and

1754
01:01:32,809 --> 01:01:30,059
then with tons of other communities too

1755
01:01:35,150 --> 01:01:32,819
but we do have a lot in our own and then

1756
01:01:36,890 --> 01:01:35,160
um outside of that is like looking at

1757
01:01:37,970 --> 01:01:36,900
these people and saying this is real to

1758
01:01:39,650 --> 01:01:37,980
you and it doesn't mean that it's

1759
01:01:41,270 --> 01:01:39,660
actually happened or not sorry my dog

1760
01:01:42,950 --> 01:01:41,280
it's actually doesn't mean it's happened

1761
01:01:44,630 --> 01:01:42,960
or not okay good it doesn't mean if it's

1762
01:01:47,150 --> 01:01:44,640
actually happened or not but for you

1763
01:01:49,370 --> 01:01:47,160
it's real and it's trauma and how how

1764
01:01:51,710 --> 01:01:49,380
can you find somebody that is going to

1765
01:01:53,870 --> 01:01:51,720
relate to your trauma that's said that

1766
01:01:55,970 --> 01:01:53,880
they've been abducted by aliens or

1767
01:01:58,549 --> 01:01:55,980
whatever it may be like that would be

1768
01:02:00,529 --> 01:01:58,559
petrifying and so for that person we

1769
01:02:02,870 --> 01:02:00,539
have to give them a place to talk about

1770
01:02:04,789 --> 01:02:02,880
it a place to have somewhere to feel

1771
01:02:06,890 --> 01:02:04,799
that they're included

1772
01:02:09,109 --> 01:02:06,900
um and wanted and understood because

1773
01:02:11,510 --> 01:02:09,119
even if it's real or not they still

1774
01:02:13,250 --> 01:02:11,520
deserve to have that and our community

1775
01:02:16,309 --> 01:02:13,260
has to give them that space to it

1776
01:02:17,690 --> 01:02:16,319
because when you neglect people from

1777
01:02:19,490 --> 01:02:17,700
feeling like they're part of something

1778
01:02:21,049 --> 01:02:19,500
or that they feel that their trauma

1779
01:02:23,029 --> 01:02:21,059
hasn't been dealt with you cause more

1780
01:02:24,710 --> 01:02:23,039
problems because of way more problems

1781
01:02:26,690 --> 01:02:24,720
when you get angry people and we don't

1782
01:02:28,370 --> 01:02:26,700
need angry people in here I think we

1783
01:02:30,529 --> 01:02:28,380
just need to give an ear be a little

1784
01:02:31,970 --> 01:02:30,539
more understanding and then if it's true

1785
01:02:33,349 --> 01:02:31,980
or not we'll find out at some point

1786
01:02:35,150 --> 01:02:33,359
because our science one day will point

1787
01:02:37,250 --> 01:02:35,160
to it and I really hope full of that

1788
01:02:39,230 --> 01:02:37,260
yeah and they did mention it that to Tim

1789
01:02:40,849 --> 01:02:39,240
last time that if one thing is true

1790
01:02:42,890 --> 01:02:40,859
let's say you're saying okay well these

1791
01:02:44,630 --> 01:02:42,900
vehicles are from entities of another

1792
01:02:47,089 --> 01:02:44,640
location

1793
01:02:48,829 --> 01:02:47,099
okay so that also gives validation to

1794
01:02:51,230 --> 01:02:48,839
all these other claims like the cattle

1795
01:02:52,609 --> 01:02:51,240
mutilation seen with these crafts and

1796
01:02:54,349 --> 01:02:52,619
then you got abductions that are seen

1797
01:02:55,970 --> 01:02:54,359
with these crafts so it gives validation

1798
01:02:58,010 --> 01:02:55,980
now to all those other things that

1799
01:02:59,569 --> 01:02:58,020
people have been saying it's not just

1800
01:03:01,789 --> 01:02:59,579
that yes these crafts are flying around

1801
01:03:03,950 --> 01:03:01,799
it's like yes they are doing stuff to

1802
01:03:07,130 --> 01:03:03,960
people and there's nothing we can do

1803
01:03:08,569 --> 01:03:07,140
about it that's the scary part I think

1804
01:03:10,010 --> 01:03:08,579
that's the part that they're afraid to

1805
01:03:11,150 --> 01:03:10,020
tell the public because the public put

1806
01:03:13,970 --> 01:03:11,160
so much

1807
01:03:16,010 --> 01:03:13,980
trust and security that you know like I

1808
01:03:19,430 --> 01:03:16,020
live in the United States you know I

1809
01:03:21,470 --> 01:03:19,440
shouldn't be abducted by aliens I live

1810
01:03:24,470 --> 01:03:21,480
right by a military base but that is

1811
01:03:26,450 --> 01:03:24,480
irrelevant they'll come and it's that's

1812
01:03:28,910 --> 01:03:26,460
that's a part that they can't protect us

1813
01:03:30,650 --> 01:03:28,920
and and whoever wants to say as a

1814
01:03:33,289 --> 01:03:30,660
government you know again don't work for

1815
01:03:36,289 --> 01:03:33,299
the government not a CIA agent but I can

1816
01:03:38,870 --> 01:03:36,299
imagine being that person that has to no

1817
01:03:41,690 --> 01:03:38,880
one wants to come forward and say oh by

1818
01:03:43,010 --> 01:03:41,700
the way they exist and uh they're going

1819
01:03:44,270 --> 01:03:43,020
to take you from your bedroom and

1820
01:03:45,770 --> 01:03:44,280
there's nothing you can do nothing you

1821
01:03:47,930 --> 01:03:45,780
can do about it or we can do about it

1822
01:03:50,150 --> 01:03:47,940
and by the way uh they've been doing it

1823
01:03:53,109 --> 01:03:50,160
for years like no one like even our own

1824
01:03:55,549 --> 01:03:53,119
guys get taken like right

1825
01:03:58,430 --> 01:03:55,559
exactly I don't think it's right I don't

1826
01:03:59,990 --> 01:03:58,440
think that because it's scary and I

1827
01:04:01,490 --> 01:04:00,000
understand why they wouldn't come out

1828
01:04:04,190 --> 01:04:01,500
and say that because it will cause Matt

1829
01:04:06,230 --> 01:04:04,200
that will cause Mass hysteria it would

1830
01:04:08,569 --> 01:04:06,240
people would be petrified to go to sleep

1831
01:04:10,549 --> 01:04:08,579
at night it's like ready cougar you know

1832
01:04:19,630 --> 01:04:10,559
you would not want to sleep like I

1833
01:04:24,650 --> 01:04:22,010
it's my neighbor Steve dressing up in a

1834
01:04:26,630 --> 01:04:24,660
costume again just hear the ground

1835
01:04:28,130 --> 01:04:26,640
no well here's the thing that's that's

1836
01:04:29,510 --> 01:04:28,140
what I'm worried about the most is that

1837
01:04:31,370 --> 01:04:29,520
something like that comes out and then

1838
01:04:32,690 --> 01:04:31,380
you got people that are like

1839
01:04:34,849 --> 01:04:32,700
you know you're mentioning about your

1840
01:04:36,170 --> 01:04:34,859
dad with the gun and the scope yeah

1841
01:04:38,390 --> 01:04:36,180
where people are actually trying to take

1842
01:04:40,250 --> 01:04:38,400
shots at these things now out of fear or

1843
01:04:41,990 --> 01:04:40,260
saying no I'm gonna Capture One or like

1844
01:04:43,670 --> 01:04:42,000
that is another thing that they're

1845
01:04:47,990 --> 01:04:43,680
worried about is like okay people

1846
01:04:50,329 --> 01:04:48,000
actually not uh becoming a vigilante but

1847
01:04:52,670 --> 01:04:50,339
you know on the border of like I'll I'll

1848
01:04:54,710 --> 01:04:52,680
be the first one to shoot one down man

1849
01:04:56,150 --> 01:04:54,720
the Army can't even shoot them down they

1850
01:04:57,650 --> 01:04:56,160
well probably successfully done it

1851
01:05:00,049 --> 01:04:57,660
probably once or twice but they have a

1852
01:05:01,970 --> 01:05:00,059
hard time so yeah I know we'll see where

1853
01:05:05,569 --> 01:05:01,980
this all goes I'm looking forward to the

1854
01:05:07,430 --> 01:05:05,579
June um release I I are you expecting

1855
01:05:10,130 --> 01:05:07,440
this to be like a holy [\h__\h] thing or are

1856
01:05:13,069 --> 01:05:10,140
you expected to just be a mild here's

1857
01:05:14,750 --> 01:05:13,079
some new information but yeah nothing

1858
01:05:16,190 --> 01:05:14,760
for some better photos like the photos

1859
01:05:18,829 --> 01:05:16,200
are great but I know they probably have

1860
01:05:20,690 --> 01:05:18,839
better ones or videos right or video

1861
01:05:23,210 --> 01:05:20,700
like we know they do it's not like

1862
01:05:24,890 --> 01:05:23,220
saying the debrief knows but I generally

1863
01:05:26,750 --> 01:05:24,900
I think the people in the community are

1864
01:05:29,870 --> 01:05:26,760
like you obviously have more photos that

1865
01:05:31,309 --> 01:05:29,880
you're not releasing yeah and uh slowly

1866
01:05:34,490 --> 01:05:31,319
releasing to us so we like more of those

1867
01:05:36,470 --> 01:05:34,500
like a clearer picture or a video to see

1868
01:05:37,609 --> 01:05:36,480
you know that's I think where we're I

1869
01:05:39,049 --> 01:05:37,619
think where we're going to go with that

1870
01:05:40,789 --> 01:05:39,059
they're probably going to ask for an

1871
01:05:42,529 --> 01:05:40,799
extension we've heard a lot of that in

1872
01:05:45,410 --> 01:05:42,539
the com in the in the conversation but

1873
01:05:47,690 --> 01:05:45,420
no I'm not holding my breath right

1874
01:05:50,210 --> 01:05:47,700
um I'm excited though that we're even at

1875
01:05:52,130 --> 01:05:50,220
this point though like just thankful

1876
01:05:53,870 --> 01:05:52,140
that we're at this point because I know

1877
01:05:56,750 --> 01:05:53,880
a lot like my dad and a lot of other

1878
01:05:59,029 --> 01:05:56,760
people are just like what is happening

1879
01:06:01,670 --> 01:05:59,039
like this is unbelievable your dad must

1880
01:06:03,410 --> 01:06:01,680
be very proud of you though I think so I

1881
01:06:08,029 --> 01:06:03,420
think my dad's like shocked because he's

1882
01:06:09,109 --> 01:06:08,039
like what like what like I think he's I

1883
01:06:12,289 --> 01:06:09,119
think he's I think he's a little

1884
01:06:14,029 --> 01:06:12,299
confused and shocked and you know it's

1885
01:06:15,349 --> 01:06:14,039
not that because this is such a

1886
01:06:17,089 --> 01:06:15,359
different it's not that he doesn't

1887
01:06:19,670 --> 01:06:17,099
understand this world He's Just Not So

1888
01:06:21,289 --> 01:06:19,680
public about it right and he'd rather be

1889
01:06:23,510 --> 01:06:21,299
quiet like he'll tell his friends and

1890
01:06:25,430 --> 01:06:23,520
talk about it with people that like UFOs

1891
01:06:28,309 --> 01:06:25,440
but he would never go out on a podcast

1892
01:06:29,930 --> 01:06:28,319
and talk about it openly right um and

1893
01:06:31,430 --> 01:06:29,940
share that like I actually asked him at

1894
01:06:32,870 --> 01:06:31,440
one time Discovery I was at a conference

1895
01:06:34,069 --> 01:06:32,880
the Discovery Channel I think it was

1896
01:06:36,589 --> 01:06:34,079
Discovery Channel

1897
01:06:38,750 --> 01:06:36,599
um it was it was a larger Outlet

1898
01:06:40,490 --> 01:06:38,760
um they wanted him to to come on and

1899
01:06:41,510 --> 01:06:40,500
they were like does he have a story and

1900
01:06:42,710 --> 01:06:41,520
I said dad do you like do you want to

1901
01:06:45,829 --> 01:06:42,720
tell it and somebody will draw a

1902
01:06:47,569 --> 01:06:45,839
rendering of what you talk about uh and

1903
01:06:49,849 --> 01:06:47,579
he was like nope I don't want any public

1904
01:06:51,349 --> 01:06:49,859
I don't want anyone to know I just like

1905
01:06:53,150 --> 01:06:51,359
the story's fine you can tell it but I

1906
01:06:54,829 --> 01:06:53,160
don't want anybody they don't want them

1907
01:06:56,690 --> 01:06:54,839
to know who I am and I said that's okay

1908
01:06:58,609 --> 01:06:56,700
that's fair you know and so I respect

1909
01:06:59,630 --> 01:06:58,619
for that yeah I have respect for it and

1910
01:07:01,849 --> 01:06:59,640
it's not because he's scared of the

1911
01:07:03,410 --> 01:07:01,859
ridicule anymore he just doesn't want

1912
01:07:05,150 --> 01:07:03,420
people to know who he is about it you

1913
01:07:07,130 --> 01:07:05,160
know he's not he's happy to talk about

1914
01:07:09,230 --> 01:07:07,140
it and fight in his own form of way of

1915
01:07:11,029 --> 01:07:09,240
you know for this topic but he doesn't

1916
01:07:13,010 --> 01:07:11,039
want to be public facing and that's okay

1917
01:07:14,750 --> 01:07:13,020
there's tons of people in every area for

1918
01:07:17,750 --> 01:07:14,760
us I'm just happy that he introduced me

1919
01:07:20,450 --> 01:07:17,760
to it and it's something that I'm very

1920
01:07:22,490 --> 01:07:20,460
lucky to have with my father that we we

1921
01:07:25,130 --> 01:07:22,500
get to hang out he's my buddy besides

1922
01:07:26,930 --> 01:07:25,140
being my dad he's my UFO buddy yeah and

1923
01:07:28,190 --> 01:07:26,940
that's it's very special to me with him

1924
01:07:29,990 --> 01:07:28,200
so

1925
01:07:32,770 --> 01:07:30,000
I hope my daughter grows up to be like

1926
01:07:35,690 --> 01:07:32,780
you that's that would be awesome

1927
01:07:37,849 --> 01:07:35,700
probably she will be if you've been to

1928
01:07:40,730 --> 01:07:37,859
UFOs yeah who knows yeah and I wonder if

1929
01:07:42,289 --> 01:07:40,740
I would be a UFOs if my dad was but you

1930
01:07:43,250 --> 01:07:42,299
know maybe I don't know maybe I wouldn't

1931
01:07:46,670 --> 01:07:43,260
be

1932
01:07:48,650 --> 01:07:46,680
that's the one thing I tell people too

1933
01:07:50,450 --> 01:07:48,660
is that some people like you know like

1934
01:07:51,950 --> 01:07:50,460
they just learn about it or they're like

1935
01:07:55,069 --> 01:07:51,960
did you ever think it's not real and I

1936
01:07:56,809 --> 01:07:55,079
said no I said I've my entire life UFOs

1937
01:08:00,170 --> 01:07:56,819
have been real to me they've never not

1938
01:08:02,990 --> 01:08:00,180
been real so I don't know a world where

1939
01:08:04,609 --> 01:08:03,000
the UFO narrative is not true

1940
01:08:06,289 --> 01:08:04,619
um so it's it's not that it's hard for

1941
01:08:09,410 --> 01:08:06,299
me to understand whether people's

1942
01:08:11,690 --> 01:08:09,420
perspective but I I do look at that as

1943
01:08:14,450 --> 01:08:11,700
something because I am been a Believer

1944
01:08:17,630 --> 01:08:14,460
my entire life yeah um it's different

1945
01:08:19,849 --> 01:08:17,640
than becoming a believer and the fact

1946
01:08:22,430 --> 01:08:19,859
that looking at it even if your dad did

1947
01:08:24,709 --> 01:08:22,440
not become vocal about the fact that he

1948
01:08:27,470 --> 01:08:24,719
was with you got you interested you are

1949
01:08:29,329 --> 01:08:27,480
now doing something about this

1950
01:08:31,010 --> 01:08:29,339
phenomenon you're a lot more active than

1951
01:08:33,890 --> 01:08:31,020
anybody else you know you're part of the

1952
01:08:36,289 --> 01:08:33,900
debrief now you got podcasts on the go

1953
01:08:38,390 --> 01:08:36,299
so that is something that you know even

1954
01:08:40,430 --> 01:08:38,400
this podcast like I said I might suck at

1955
01:08:43,189 --> 01:08:40,440
an investigator you might go through my

1956
01:08:45,229 --> 01:08:43,199
cases and go you know it's horrible this

1957
01:08:46,910 --> 01:08:45,239
guy can't investigate you know he's not

1958
01:08:49,669 --> 01:08:46,920
I would not say no but I'm saying like

1959
01:08:51,470 --> 01:08:49,679
you know even if I was but if the

1960
01:08:53,329 --> 01:08:51,480
podcast is able to motivate you know

1961
01:08:55,789 --> 01:08:53,339
somebody who can get out there and will

1962
01:08:57,590 --> 01:08:55,799
actually do something really good then I

1963
01:09:00,289 --> 01:08:57,600
feel like I've contributed somehow just

1964
01:09:02,570 --> 01:09:00,299
to get somebody off the couch to sort of

1965
01:09:05,749 --> 01:09:02,580
just join the gang right and that really

1966
01:09:07,849 --> 01:09:05,759
was I feel there's a place yeah yeah I

1967
01:09:09,649 --> 01:09:07,859
think for everybody yeah it's a big

1968
01:09:11,630 --> 01:09:09,659
world and they're everywhere so

1969
01:09:13,130 --> 01:09:11,640
oh yeah and everyone has a place in

1970
01:09:16,189 --> 01:09:13,140
certain communities and I'm just

1971
01:09:17,450 --> 01:09:16,199
thankful that the the UFO Community has

1972
01:09:19,729 --> 01:09:17,460
been has been mine they've been really

1973
01:09:21,050 --> 01:09:19,739
wonderful to me and I said to my dad we

1974
01:09:23,769 --> 01:09:21,060
went to the first conference I was like

1975
01:09:26,149 --> 01:09:23,779
Dad these are our people

1976
01:09:27,890 --> 01:09:26,159
and I was like I feel like I'm at home

1977
01:09:29,510 --> 01:09:27,900
like I just laughed because I was like I

1978
01:09:32,030 --> 01:09:29,520
feel I feel right at home I'm like and

1979
01:09:33,410 --> 01:09:32,040
I'm fortunate because some people I

1980
01:09:35,269 --> 01:09:33,420
think look for other communities that

1981
01:09:37,849 --> 01:09:35,279
they want to you know have friendships

1982
01:09:39,829 --> 01:09:37,859
in and and learn and involve together

1983
01:09:41,450 --> 01:09:39,839
and do things and I think I'm very happy

1984
01:09:43,249 --> 01:09:41,460
that I've that I've got them this in

1985
01:09:46,249 --> 01:09:43,259
this community it was a really amazing

1986
01:09:47,749 --> 01:09:46,259
people that I get along with and we'll

1987
01:09:49,789 --> 01:09:47,759
hopefully be friends with the rest of my

1988
01:09:51,769 --> 01:09:49,799
life if I'm researching or not or

1989
01:09:52,789 --> 01:09:51,779
working with the debrief or not so I

1990
01:09:53,809 --> 01:09:52,799
don't think it's this is ever if

1991
01:09:58,120 --> 01:09:53,819
anything is just going to be probably

1992
01:09:58,130 --> 01:10:07,209
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